Before RJs...

Seggy said:
No sermon man and NOTHING at all personal against those who fly them.

We are all pilots and have a goal in our careers. It is ashame though that guys are responsible for a 50 to 76 seat jet and are on foodstamps. We need to raise the bar!
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You heard it from the source!
 
Seggy said:
No sermon man and NOTHING at all personal against those who fly them.

We are all pilots and have a goal in our careers. It is ashame though that guys are responsible for a 50 to 76 seat jet and are on foodstamps. We need to raise the bar!
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I agree. The Regional Level is so messed up, you can be at a company that has a good contract and another will swoop in and underbid your flying. Attempting to raise the bar can be a crap shoot. If you ask for higher wages you might be signing your walking papers.
 
Seggy said:
In my ideal world anything over 10 seats flying commercially should be on a mainline seniority list. It is not going to happen overnight, but maybe in two, three, five, ten years it could be changed.

quote] Not going to happen. Why? So the airlines can all go back into bankruptcy because they are paying out there rear in labor again. But thats managements problem and not yours.
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Champcar said:
Seggy said:
In my ideal world anything over 10 seats flying commercially should be on a mainline seniority list. It is not going to happen overnight, but maybe in two, three, five, ten years it could be changed.

quote] Not going to happen. Why? So the airlines can all go back into bankruptcy because they are paying out there rear in labor again. But thats managements problem and not yours.
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Wages shouldn't be sacraficed. It also shouldn't cost $39 to FLL-JFK.
 
Seggy said:
No sermon man and NOTHING at all personal against those who fly them.

We are all pilots and have a goal in our careers. It is ashame though that guys are responsible for a 50 to 76 seat jet and are on foodstamps. We need to raise the bar!
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One of the biggest problems is there are too many RJ's and regional airlines in the market. Seggy you and any other person who has flown into LGA knows what it's like. At LGA in the past we were 39, yes 39 for takeoff at LGA. About 1/2 were RJ's composed of DCI/AE/UsAir Express. When I joined OH it was the second highest paying regional out there. But the likes of [insert name here] came in and said we can do it for cheaper. As a result OH demanded that we take a pay cut "to stay competitive." DCI has 10 carriers flying for them. When I started it was like 4. That is why we need a universal payrate across the board for the regionals. I know that we were just awarded -900's but it is the last thing that OH needs. Anyone want to guess what the pay rates are goingto be on those things?
 
Champcar,

Airlines pay a VERY small percentage toward pilot labor wages. I think it is like 6%

Back in the '80s Continental went bankrupt twice and they had the lowest paid pilots in the industry.

You might want to watch what you say, especially when you say broad statements like that.
 
Mainline guys didn't want RJ's on their property. They knew that there was no way they were going to be paid the wages they wanted for them. So they used them as a bargaining chip. "Give us more money and we'll let the regionals fly them." Well they got more money, and the regionals got the jets.

Nice picture though
 
Seggy said:
Champcar,

Airlines pay a VERY small percentage toward pilot labor wages. I think it is like 6%

Back in the '80s Continental went bankrupt twice and they had the lowest paid pilots in the industry.

You might want to watch what you say, especially when you say broad statements like that.
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broad is the way to go.
 
Shoot, once upon a time, I was about $1/ticket on a MD-90. Now I'm pennies per ticket.
 
Great scott! I'll just secure my future and fly for free! That'll be swell! :)

Sure glad I went to Riddle before it got expensive else I'd be spending the rest of my career trying to fill THAT debt hole.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Great scott! I'll just secure my future and fly for free! That'll be swell! :)

Sure glad I went to Riddle before it got expensive else I'd be spending the rest of my career trying to fill THAT debt hole.
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Nothing like spending 100k on education for people to complain all the time. I refuse to fall into that. Now I won't sell out, cross a picket line, or go fly go goJets. But I don't want to complain about a job I haven't started yet. So try not to take it personal guys, just rather stay positive.
 
Staying positive is good, but you have to balance strictly positive thought with the machinations and realities of your chosen profession.

I'm probably the most positive guy you'll meet on JC but there are elements of people out there that confuse 'positivity' with a "horse blinders"/pollyannish unrealistic view of what they're truly getting involved with.

Which is where education plays a deadly important role. But people have to want to be educated.

A few years ago we had a jumpseater who exclaimed, "This is so great! I'd do your job for HALF of what they're paying you!". The captain about lost this marbles, but I said, "Well, keep in mind that you have a very dangerous attitude with respect to this career" and tried my best to explain my reasons.

The captain wouldn't even look at the guy after his comment and I didn't want to hear him bitch for the entirety of the next leg so I was proactive and said something to the jumpseater.

But of course, I said a few things that weren't consistent with the jumpseater's preconceptions about the profession and he looked like I just threw his baby brother off the balcony... during thanksgiving. on his first birthday...

So chances are, he went from FO to CA and is, in fact, doing my job for probably half of what they're paying me for more responsibility for a couple less passengers. Probably has a family now and is bewildered about where all of the higher paying mainline jobs went.

After all, there's a shortage. Don't both with finishing college, Fed Ex and UPS are going to be beating down your door with a limousine in wait to cart you off to ground school some of the publications lead people to believe.

He missed an opportunity for an education. Geez, I was 26 years old at a major, only sat about a week of reserve in my CUMULATIVE airline career and I'm the grouchy guy? Aroo?! :) I'm not, but there are some truths that you all need to learn because whether or not you accept it, it's what you're going to realize just around the bend.

Positivity is good, I thrive on it. But don't let the horse blinders enable management to use that positive charge to electrocute your career expectations.
 
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