Bay Area Cessna 206 Pilots Wanted

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vikingair said:
If you have a 1st, won't it just become a 3rd after a year?
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Umm no. Medicals do not become the next lower class. The time frames are just for what privileges you can exercise. You get a first, but you are a flight instructor, you are only exercising 3rd class privileges. I cannot stand how instructors teach that a first becomes a second, a second becomes a third.
 
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Inverted said:
Umm no. Medicals do not become the next lower class. The time frames are just for what privileges you can exercise. You get a first, but you are a flight instructor, you are only exercising 3rd class privileges. I cannot stand how instructors teach that a first becomes a second, a second becomes a third.
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Explain the practical difference between the use of the two wordings. Become vs privileges. Does that difference, if any, change the basic understanding of something enough to remove the ability to fully understand something else critical to flying?
 
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z987k said:
Explain the practical difference between the use of the two wordings. Become vs privileges. Does that difference, if any, change the basic understanding of something enough to remove the ability to fully understand something else critical to flying?
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Does the stamp that says first, second or third on your medical magically change as the time passes? No it does not. After a year, a first class medical says first. It does not "become" anything. The privileges in which you can exercise change. Like I said, if a student pilot gets a first class medical, he is exercising third class privileges. It is irrelevant whether it is first, second or third, the student is not exercising first class privileges.
 
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Inverted said:
Does the stamp that says first, second or third on your medical magically change as the time passes? No it does not. After a year, a first class medical says first. It does not "become" anything. The privileges in which you can exercise change. Like I said, if a student pilot gets a first class medical, he is exercising third class privileges. It is irrelevant whether it is first, second or third, the student is not exercising first class privileges.
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Yep!

Commercial pilots don't need a 2nd class medical. They only do if they are exercising their commercial certificate (Instruction excluded). This was a point the DPE tried to catch me on during my commercial oral, he asked me: Why did you not get a second class medical before coming to your checkride?

"because I didn't have to."

Boom!

I understand z987k's point though, for all intents and purposes after 1 year of second class you basically have a III class. It's still a II but you can only use it as a III, but I agree with you Inverted I've actually met one dude who thought after a year they mailed you a 3rd class and you were supposed to honorably shred your 2nd class.... (he wasn't the brightest)
 
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elmetal said:
Yep!

Commercial pilots don't need a 2nd class medical. They only do if they are exercising their commercial certificate (Instruction excluded). This was a point the DPE tried to catch me on during my commercial oral, he asked me: Why did you not get a second class medical before coming to your checkride?

"because I didn't have to."

Boom!

I understand z987k's point though, for all intents and purposes after 1 year of second class you basically have a III class. It's still a II but you can only use it as a III, but I agree with you Inverted I've actually met one dude who thought after a year they mailed you a 3rd class and you were supposed to honorably shred your 2nd class.... (he wasn't the brightest)
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The reason I asked was because this is one issue of many that simply doesn't matter. There are significantly more important things time could be spent on then something that makes no practical difference. If you think your 1st magically turns to a 3rd after a year, you still know you need to go get another first, or just use it as a 3rd. Ultimate goal still accomplished, and it's not like it fundamentally ruins their understanding anything... say like teaching people Bernoulli does.
 
Geez, its petty!

Lets sum it up.

What do you have to have to exercise the privileges of a commercial pilot certificate?

What do you need to have to have a job?

Take the higher requirement of the two and you have your answer.

If you dont have what they are looking for either get it or shut it and move on.
 
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z987k said:
Explain the practical difference between the use of the two wordings. Become vs privileges. Does that difference, if any, change the basic understanding of something enough to remove the ability to fully understand something else critical to flying?
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How about this? My first class medical says I need to wear corrective lenses. A third class medical would not require that. Even if I'm using my first class medical for third class privileges, the fact that I have a first class requires me to wear corrective lenses. That's the difference between privileges and changing into a different class.
 
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Landis said:
How about this? My first class medical says I need to wear corrective lenses. A third class medical would not require that. Even if I'm using my first class medical for third class privileges, the fact that I have a first class requires me to wear corrective lenses. That's the difference between privileges and changing into a different class.
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If and only if your vision would pass a 3rd class medical.

My vision doesn't pass any class without correction:
http://i.imgur.com/mrGZB.jpg

(sorry for blacking out everything but it's the internet...)
 
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elmetal said:
If and only if your vision would pass a 3rd class medical.
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That's what I meant. My vision is good enough to not require corrective lenses for a Class III, but requires them for a Class I.

I don't just get to fly without glasses when conducting an operation that only requires a Class III medical - and/or >12 calendar months from obtaining my Class I. After 12 calendar months I'd have a Class I medical with Class III privileges.
 
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Landis said:
That's what I meant. My vision is good enough to not require corrective lenses for a Class III, but requires them for a Class I.

I don't just get to fly without glasses when conducting an operation that only requires a Class III medical - and/or >12 calendar months from obtaining my Class I. After 12 calendar months I'd have a Class I medical with Class III privileges.
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that makes sense. so if it were to "convert/revert" back to a III class you'd be legally able to fly without lenses right?
Well it kinda sucks for you
 
About this company and their IFR rules...

Just thought I'd share something hilarious/tragic about one of my last flights with Aperture...

Me: Good afternoon SoCal, Snapshot123 is 3,000 climbing. Request.
SoCal: Snapshot123, say request.
Me: Yes sir, as soon as we climb through this hole and get above the layer, we'd to pick up an IFR going back to RHV.
SoCal: So.... you're climbing to VFR-on-top to pick up an IFR clearance?
Me: As ridiculous as that sounds, yes. That is precisely what I am requesting.
SoCal: Ok... Snapshot123 maintain VFR until I can get a clearance for you.
 
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Cal Goat said:
Just thought I'd share something hilarious/tragic about one of my last flights with Aperture...

Me: Good afternoon SoCal, Snapshot123 is 3,000 climbing. Request.
SoCal: Snapshot123, say request.
Me: Yes sir, as soon as we climb through this hole and get above the layer, we'd to pick up an IFR going back to RHV.
SoCal: So.... you're climbing to VFR-on-top to pick up an IFR clearance?
Me: As ridiculous as that sounds, yes. That is precisely what I am requesting.
SoCal: Ok... Snapshot123 maintain VFR until I can get a clearance for you.
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"Chuck, is that you?"

:)

I <3 that operating requirement, I <3 <3 <3 that rule...
 
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JulietBravo said:
Yes. I am glad we stay IFR current for good reason. I had to explain to center a while back why I was on an IFR flight plan and I had to divert due to an area of low IFR ahead of me. I think I heard some laughter in the background.
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You got me rolling. Just to clarify, the airport you were landing at was lifr... or just the area ahead of you?
 
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