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Mariano said:
Sorry, I can't tell for sure if you agree or disagree with me. :):)

You are quoting part 67. As you wrote above, certification of mechanics is regulated by part 65.

There are no medical requirements for airframe or powerplant certificates, I just can't see how the FAA could use an infraction on medical certificate as basis to revoke mech certs. It doesn't make any sense, plus I don't see it in the regs.
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I think the language of the regulation is pretty clear, but I'll rephrase to see if it helps. 67.403(b) says that if you make fraudulent or false statements on your medical application, the FAA can suspend or revoke your airman certificates and ratings, your ground instructor certificates and ratings, and your medical certificates, as well as any other authorizations or SODA's you may have. Although one ordinarily doesn't think of a mechanic as an "airman," mechanic certificates are dealt with in Part 65, which is entitled "airmen other than flight crewmembers." Absent a contrary definition (and I can find no contrary definition applicable to Part 67), the title of Part 65 is definitional. In other words, a mechanic's certificate is an "airman certificate" which can be suspended or revoked if one lies on his/her medical application.

It doesn't matter if the mechanic certificate requires a medical; if you lie or misrepresent to the FAA on one form, the FAA is empowered to take away any certificate, rating or authorization you may have.
 
Thanks for all the info guys. The condition (cardiac) is not disqualifying, but it is something that requires special issuance even though it was corrected at an early age. If it was something a lot more minor I would definitely keep it too myself. I have consulted with Dr Forred as well as the folks at aviationmedicine.com and they seem pretty positive about it. I have taken the steps to speak to an attorney through the AOPA legal services plan to see what they say. For now, I am just in the process of collected all of my medical records so I have have everything together before I go in for my medical. I have not had anything revoked or suspended yet because the FAA doesn't know about it, but I think it's time to face the music.
 
Minnesota_Flyer said:
I think the language of the regulation is pretty clear, but I'll rephrase to see if it helps
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That sounds a little condescending, doesn't it? yet I'm going to assume that I'm being too sensitive and that you didn't meant it like that at all, and that you just underestimated my reading comprehension skills and proceeded to state the obvious.


Anyhow, thank you so much for taking the time to write the explanation.

However, you didn't have to. I understand what the reg says, I know that mechanics are airmen too. I see that the reg (67.403(b)) is not specific in detailing which airmen will have their certificates revoked, that the use of the word "airmen" so broadly could be used (in theory) to start a legal action against a mechanic, or a dispatcher or a parachute rigger (all in the "airmen other than crew members" club)

PART 67—MEDICAL STANDARDS AND CERTIFICATION

OK, so it looks like part 67 talks about medical standards and certifications, subjects that are of not of interest to mechanics, as a matter of fact part 67 in NOT included in the ASA book of FAR's that is published to be use by mechanics.

I didn't hear my teacher saying anything about it in my recent FAR's class neither.

Furthermore there is no mention in part 65, the one that talks to mechanics, --there are however-- regulations about having your certification revoked for using drugs, being a security threat or refusing to a drug test.

§ 67.1 Applicability.

This part prescribes the medical standards and certification procedures for issuing medical certificates for airmen and for remaining eligible for a medical certificate.


My interpretation of the above is that "remaining eligible for a medical certificate" is applicable to airmen certificates that require a medical certificate (pilot) not to the certificates of airmen that don't require medical certificates (mechanics)

That's my opinion, and I think that it makes sense for the reasons that stated above.

We have a few mechanics on board, maybe they could tell us what they think.

Or maybe someone knows of a --documented-- instance where a a pilot had his or her mechanic certificate revoked, as a result of what we're talking about here.
 
I know you guys love arguing with one another, but talk to the doctor.
 
I'm wasn't speaking on medical terms, but I know that if you intentionally falsify a government document, the FAA would be not happy if they found out and could decide to take everything away. It depends on the situation. If it just happens to be a medical issue that started the whole thing, they might not be using the medical condition to pull the other certificates. They might be siding with caution and saying this person's a lier and we don't know what else they have been lying about, so we want all those tickets back. Same thing goes for pilot certificates. How could they take those for a medical condition? They can if they want in an "emergency" if the newly disclosed medical condition was hidden from them for the purposes of obtaining certification. It's legal for them to do it and it's legal for a judge to decide if it was or wasn't necessary and tell them to reverse their decision if necessary.

Think about what happens when you refuse to submit an alcohol or drug test or even falsifying documents, applications or records. It's mentioned over and over that any airman certificate can be suspended or revoked. I don't think they'd let a mechanic to continue to work on airplanes if they were lying.
 
A few months back I was doing some research and there are MANY cases available that show an A&P was revoked due to lying on the medical form. A simple Google search will bring up a wealth of appeal denials from the NTSB.

Of interest to the OP, here is a link to some of the transportation congressional sub-committee information on the results of "Operation Safe Pilot." There are some interesting points made in this testimony, and again, lots more stuff out there for the searching...I am not giving my opinion on this subject otherwise...

http://transportation.house.gov/Media/File/Aviation/Safe%20Pilot%20Committee%20Report.pdf
 
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