Backlash grows against full-body scanners in airports

derg

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Maybe it's just me, but I've been through them a number of times in Holland and it was a lot easier than the normal metal detector. Leave everything on, walk up, hold your arms up in the Hogan's Heroes "I vuss just following orders!" stance and motor on...

Opposition to new full-body imaging machines to screen passengers and the government's deployment of them at most major airports is growing.

Many frequent fliers complain they're time-consuming or invade their privacy. The world's airlines say they shouldn't be used for primary security screening. And questions are being raised about possible effects on passengers' health.

"The system takes three to five times as long as walking through a metal detector," says Phil Bush of Atlanta, one of many fliers on USA TODAY's Road Warriors panel who oppose the machines. "This looks to be yet another disaster waiting to happen."

BODY SCANNERS: Concerns about privacy and health set off debate

The machines — dubbed by some fliers as virtual strip searches — were installed at many airports in March after a Christmas Day airline bombing attempt. The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) has spent more than $80 million for about 500 machines, including 133 now at airports. It plans to install about 1,000 by the end of next year.

The machines are running into complaints and questions here and overseas:

•The International Air Transport Association, which represents 250 of the world's airlines, including major U.S. carriers, says the TSA lacks "a strategy and a vision" of how the machines fit into a comprehensive checkpoint security plan. "The TSA is putting the cart before the horse," association spokesman Steve Lott says.

•Security officials in Dubai said this month they wouldn't use the machines because they violate "personal privacy," and information about their "side effects" on health isn't known.

•Last month, the European Commission said in a report that "a rigorous scientific assessment" of potential health risks is needed before machines are deployed there. It also said screening methods besides the new machines should be used on pregnant women, babies, children and people with disabilities.

The U.S. Government Accountability Office said in October that the TSA was deploying the machines without fully testing them and assessing whether they could detect "threat items" concealed on various parts of the body. And in March, the office said it "remains unclear" whether they would have detected the explosives that police allege Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab tried to detonate on a jet bound for Detroit on Christmas.

TSA spokeswoman Kristin Lee says the agency completed testing at the end of last year and is "highly confident" in the machines' detection capability. She also says their use hasn't slowed screening at airports and that the agency has taken steps to ensure privacy and safety.

The TSA is deploying two types of machines that can see underneath clothing. One uses a high-speed X-ray beam, and the other bounces electromagnetic waves off a passenger's body.

Passengers can refuse screening by the machines and receive a pat-down search by a security officer, screening by a metal detector, or both, the TSA says.
 
They don't seem bad to me. I can see where it might cause problems when operators of the machines are sneaking photos of good looking women walking through. But pax can refuse so ... eh...
Definitely more convenient
 
I'm guessing people would be skeptical of TSA "sneakin a peak" :pirate:

....people like her.....drooolllll

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I think as long as you have the right of refusal and to conduct a patdown, cool.

You really don't want a pat down in some countries. Unless, of course, "you're in to that" because European and Middle-Eastern security officers are not shy whatsoever. I wanted to request "at least pull on my hair a little next time, ok? Geez!"
 
Both times I've had to go through one, I didn't get to leave everything on... They are behind the metal detector, so I had already taken everything off expecting to go through the detector and be done. Not so fast, went through the detector, then they directed into the machine. All the while my laptop/backpack/etc is sitting at the end of the conveyor belt unmonitored. Someone could have walked off with my laptop and I would have never known who it was... :dunno:

I still hope the TSA agent enjoyed the tax-payer funded 3D picture of my...yeah. :)
 
As far as health , it raises some concerns , any Rays will harm the human body in the long run , now , unless you have a small joujou :yup:, there is no reason to complain about these scanners .
 
I got into it with PHX TSA back in June about these useless pos's. My wife and I were heading to ORD for vacation and had her little brother (15 I think) with us. He does have a state issued ID, but the original boarding pass checker never asked him for it, so he was directed to the scanner. I abruptly stopped him and told them they could conduct a manual search, but under no terms was he going through that thing while under my supervision. It was dead at security, and I think they just wanted to play with their toy and ended up getting all huffy about it.

I had a suit come up to be and ask if I was an airline employee ( I was wearing my badge ) I said yes, fully expecting a call to be made to one of my supervisors (apparently it's bad form to have a legal, adult discussion while in uniform or wearing your badge). He just nodded and continued on.

The minute they gave these clowns an actual badge, these high school dropouts all became walking power trips.
 
I got into it with PHX TSA back in June about these useless pos's. My wife and I were heading to ORD for vacation and had her little brother (15 I think) with us. He does have a state issued ID, but the original boarding pass checker never asked him for it, so he was directed to the scanner. I abruptly stopped him and told them they could conduct a manual search, but under no terms was he going through that thing while under my supervision. It was dead at security, and I think they just wanted to play with their toy and ended up getting all huffy about it.

I had a suit come up to be and ask if I was an airline employee ( I was wearing my badge ) I said yes, fully expecting a call to be made to one of my supervisors (apparently it's bad form to have a legal, adult discussion while in uniform or wearing your badge). He just nodded and continued on.

The minute they gave these clowns an actual badge, these high school dropouts all became walking power trips.

I wouldn't go so far as to say ALL....but sadly, it does seem to be the case more often than not.

Quick story:

I was going through security a couple weeks ago. At the time I was in uniform and only had my cell phone as I was passing through security (I had to exit security to do something so my bags were already on the plane). This was during a very tight turn (~30 min), so I proceeded to the front of the line (general pax line--no employee line open at the time) Grabbed one of their little bowls and placed my phone in it and through the detector I went. Then, I had the screener (the one at the metal detector, not running the xray), more or less, harass me repeatedly asking if I had moved or touched a pax baggage. Well I hadn't; but obviously, I placed my phone/ bowl on the belt in between pax baggage...because it was a pax line. She was asking me cryptic questions over and over. I said all I have is my phone, what do you want; I placed it in a bowl and on to the belt. So since this was going nowhere and I had actual work to do, I grabbed my phone and continued on my way. Never could figure out what she was trying to prove or the point she was trying to make, if she even had one. However, what seemed obvious was that she was trying to bully me using her bestowed powers.

What a joke! :( Good thing Aunt Bessie feels safer!

Please Remove Your Shoes!
 
I think as long as you have the right of refusal and to conduct a patdown, cool.

You really don't want a pat down in some countries. Unless, of course, "you're in to that" because European and Middle-Eastern security officers are not shy whatsoever. I wanted to request "at least pull on my hair a little next time, ok? Geez!"


No kidding! when I went to Morocco (not european but could definitely be considered middle eastern for culture) I got patted down good.

I was on my way OUT of the country, and I got patted down so good the guy knew exactly my junk size. seriously, he felt my legs up to my juevos and didn't stop there.


It was a really uncomfortable place to be.
 
What gets me is I truly believe that most people who they usher into that line are unaware of that machine, and all they do is invert the picture - so they could easilly be saved and 'enjoyed'.



I personally think they are a huge invasion of privacy - my family will never be subject to them and tbh the way flying is these days, my vacation goal is to buy one of these:

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I've had to go through it a couple times...whenever I get into position I shake my hips and do the "woo woo" sound...chicks dig that.
 
What gets me is I truly believe that most people who they usher into that line are unaware of that machine, and all they do is invert the picture - so they could easilly be saved and 'enjoyed'.



I personally think they are a huge invasion of privacy - my family will never be subject to them and tbh the way flying is these days, my vacation goal is to buy one of these:

airstream_classic_limited.jpg


definitely makes for fun times! I love road tripssssssssss!
 
What gets me is I truly believe that most people who they usher into that line are unaware of that machine, and all they do is invert the picture - so they could easilly be saved and 'enjoyed'.

There is way better free porn on the interwebs :bandit:
 
What gets me is I truly believe that most people who they usher into that line are unaware of that machine, and all they do is invert the picture - so they could easilly be saved and 'enjoyed'.


I personally think they are a huge invasion of privacy - my family will never be subject to them and tbh the way flying is these days, my vacation goal is to buy one of these:

airstream_classic_limited.jpg

So she's smuggling a beer bottle? I don't get it...
 
No kidding! when I went to Morocco (not european but could definitely be considered middle eastern for culture) I got patted down good.

I was on my way OUT of the country, and I got patted down so good the guy knew exactly my junk size. seriously, he felt my legs up to my juevos and didn't stop there.


It was a really uncomfortable place to be.

For reason Germany (different airports in different cities) has become quite fond of patting down me and the other females (and some of the males) in our crew.. You haven't lived until you've had a female lift your blouse slightly and stick her hands in your panty waistband circling your body in full view of everyone on line behind you. :whatever:
 
For reason Germany (different airports in different cities) has become quite fond of patting down me and the other females (and some of the males) in our crew.. You haven't lived until you've had a female lift your blouse slightly and stick her hands in your panty waistband circling your body in full view of everyone on line behind you. :whatever:

Giggity! Can you get video of this next time? My spank bank would appreciate it. Oh yes...the harsh Teutonic head-mistress feeling up the hot American FA's...oh yes....
 
Giggity! Can you get video of this next time? My spank bank would appreciate it. Oh yes...the harsh Teutonic head-mistress feeling up the hot American FA's...oh yes....

Jackass!

If you're that turned on, why not buy a ticket and fly there to witness it yourself......:crazy:

:D
 
As long as a pat down is available upon request in lieu of this, I'm fine with it. When it becomes mandatory, then I'll have issues with it.

"Those who trade liberty for security deserve neither." -Ben Franklin
 
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