B737 landing with parking brake on 8-26-05
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casey
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It wasnt a 73
That was an Embraer 170, not a 737. They have the whole series of pics posted in the xjt crewroom in houston.
rumor on the parking brake on is they were trying to replicate an old trick in the brasilia to xfer fluid between the 1 and 2 hyd systems using the parking brake and ended up leaving it on.
That was an Embraer 170, not a 737. They have the whole series of pics posted in the xjt crewroom in houston.
rumor on the parking brake on is they were trying to replicate an old trick in the brasilia to xfer fluid between the 1 and 2 hyd systems using the parking brake and ended up leaving it on.
mrivc211
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casey said:
Yup! I flew with a captain last month that was the FO on one of the two times its happend at our company. To tranfer the fluid from the green system to the blue system or vice versa, you have to pull the e brake, and push on the brakes, then release the e brake and repeat. Well often times they forget to release the e brake and when they land, they get a nice surprise. It kinda makes sense because there are no checklists that prompt you to check the parking brake is off before landing.
I walked on a plane the other night to do a quick round trip and I noticed the parking brake was not pulled, the brought it to the attention of the captain and he said "ah oh". That could have been bad.
You guys say good job on keeping the aircraft at centerline. But the wheels are pretty much gone so the whole thing is probably dug in the ground anyways. Without wheels to go sideways how would you get out of centerline anyways? Same thign on the Jetblue flight. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but this seems logical to me.
Brian, Brian....
YEs, the wheels are gone and the gear have dug in to the pavement... But you have answered your own question. Think for a second.....If the gear is diggin in on one side there will be more pulling force to that side. Therefore, it will make it much harder to keep the plane from pulling in one direction. That would indeed make it harder to keep it on the centerline. Look at it from your car standpoint. If the brakes are completely gone on one side and you slam them on, your car will pull to that side where the brakes are good. You would have to counteract that by turning the wheels opposite of the 'good' brakes to keep it going straight.
BCTAv8r said:
YEs, the wheels are gone and the gear have dug in to the pavement... But you have answered your own question. Think for a second.....If the gear is diggin in on one side there will be more pulling force to that side. Therefore, it will make it much harder to keep the plane from pulling in one direction. That would indeed make it harder to keep it on the centerline. Look at it from your car standpoint. If the brakes are completely gone on one side and you slam them on, your car will pull to that side where the brakes are good. You would have to counteract that by turning the wheels opposite of the 'good' brakes to keep it going straight.
FlyChicaga
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I don't know why people do that hydraulic trick in flight. It isn't necessary in the air, and the possibility of this happening just outweighs any gains made by doing the procedure.
BoilerPilot2007
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Parking brake works pretty well.
B767Driver
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USAFplt said:hmmm..wonder if this mistake would be made by Mainline pilots flying this plane..hmm playing devil's advocate here
Subject: This appears to be a procedural/checklist discipline error. This is exactly why the FAA does not want pilots to make up their own procedure. It's best to comply with the checklist and leave the troubleshooting for on the ground. Any pilot could fall into this trap. "There but for the grace of God go I...."
Off the subject: I think it's time we get away from the dichotomy of "regional & mainline" pilots and we all begin to establish a profession again. It's time we stop working against each other and start working for the betterment of the profession. This professional has become too fragmented...it's time to change that. It will require bold action...but it can be done.
FlyChicaga
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B767Driver said:
:yeahthat: :yeahthat: :yeahthat:
B767Driver
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SteveC said:
Yes, but our actions must match our words.
jon1424
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I work for MDA in Philly, and I'm pretty sure this was flight 1802 from PHL. I believe it was either aircraft 809 or 804. One of our mechanics flew from PHL volunteered to go down as well as a couple from PIT. According to him, the worst part is that there was vomit and some other select bodily fluids all over the place in the cabin because it literally scared the s#@% out of people when they landed. And yes, probably 95% of the pilots who fly for MDA are furloughed mainline. They still use the USAir callsign.
B767Driver
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Looking at those skid marks on the runway...it looks like it must have been one hell of a ride.
FlyChicaga
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SteveC said:
If this was in response to my post in the Pro Pilot section, I'm sorry, I just get really peeved when pilots feed off of the misfortune of other pilots. Especially when it is belittiling the profession. I was raised to believe that certain groups formed brotherhoods; you may not always agree, and you may not always like each other, but you have each others backs because of that brotherhood. I thought aviation was one of the professions with this brotherhood, but I was sorely mistaken.