B-1 down in Montana

Hacker15e said:
Uh, the "crew chief" is not an aircrew member (the BUFF does not have "flying crew chiefs" like some aircraft), and thus doesn't have a crew station with or without an ejection seat.

The B-52 crew is a Pilot, Copilot, and three Navs.

So not sure what your student is talking about, unless he went on an incentive ride and had to sit in a jumpseat. Maybe you can ask him some more details about how/why he has this B-52 flight time as someone in the maintenance team.
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Maybe he was talking about maintenance rides or something, not sure. Just the way he described it to me.
 
So has anybody given a reason why the initial TFR was so huge? Was this thing carrying nukes or something? I know you can't just set off a nuke with an impact or fire like that, but I can't think of any other reason why they'd make such an absurdly large TFR.
 
You know, now that I think about it I did hear traffic being rerouted yesterday in this area for Military Activity. Seemed a little odd.
 
Xcaliber said:
So has anybody given a reason why the initial TFR was so huge? Was this thing carrying nukes or something? I know you can't just set off a nuke with an impact or fire like that, but I can't think of any other reason why they'd make such an absurdly large TFR.
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"National security."

Non-military guy here, but...such a reaction would make some sort of sense to prevent the possible loss of a weapon into less than friendly hands, to clear the air for a radiation survey to ensure the integrity of the weapon, etc. I would imagine you could get a minor mess out of it, but not a full yield in the event of an impact.
 
Xcaliber said:
So has anybody given a reason why the initial TFR was so huge? Was this thing carrying nukes or something? I know you can't just set off a nuke with an impact or fire like that, but I can't think of any other reason why they'd make such an absurdly large TFR.
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B-1s dont do a nuclear mission anymore as part of the START treaty. They're conventional only.
 
Not much of a debris trail, looks like a pretty direct impact.

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rframe said:
One of my flight students is a retired B52 crew chief. As I understand it (and I might have this wrong), everyone but the chief has ejection seats. He's supposed to be the last guy out and he's supposed to fall through an opening in the floor and do a tuck and roll maneuver, basically he said it's highly unlikely the chief will make it out alive.
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Seems easy enough... (sarcasm)

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The same CC was present at this B52 fire and explained what happened to me, he was supposed to be on board the aircraft where 5 people died but someone else ended up running the tests. He said he also received a medal for climbing into the neighboring aircraft which had weapons loaded at the time because they couldn't tug it out of the way due to the parking break set.

http://www.nytimes.com/1983/01/28/us/5-die-in-b-52-fire-at-air-base.html

The reason it all came up was because we were talking about the importance of checklist usage, and he claims the B52 lit up because the tech who was running tests was forcing some circuit breaker over-ride which caused a short... which he said was not permissible on the maintenance checklist. Anyway... just thought it was interesting.
 
MikeD said:
B-1s dont do a nuclear mission anymore as part of the START treaty. They're conventional only.
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Hey! If these guys want to believe that John Travolta and Christian Slater are duking it out over a loose nuke in the Montana countryside, you should let them! Fodder for Broken Arrow jokes (and we can joke because the crew made it) doesn't come very often! :mad:
 
The Fez said:
Hey! If these guys want to believe that John Travolta and Christian Slater are duking it out over a loose nuke in the Montana countryside, you should let them! Fodder for Broken Arrow jokes (and we can joke because the crew made it) doesn't come very often! :mad:
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Ain't it cool?
 
The Fez said:
Hey! If these guys want to believe that John Travolta and Christian Slater are duking it out over a loose nuke in the Montana countryside, you should let them! Fodder for Broken Arrow jokes (and we can joke because the crew made it) doesn't come very often! :mad:
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Yeah, well, I knew it was going to sound pretty ignorant, but it's the only even-slightly-plausible reason I could come up with for a 120 nm radius TFRo_O
 
Autothrust Blue said:
"National security."

Non-military guy here, but...such a reaction would make some sort of sense to prevent the possible loss of a weapon into less than friendly hands, to clear the air for a radiation survey to ensure the integrity of the weapon, etc. I would imagine you could get a minor mess out of it, but not a full yield in the event of an impact.
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That would probably be it. I'm sure it was less "let's make this one 120NM" and more "big TFR mandatory for Class A Mishap" because of the need to protect AF assets in all scenarios. It's probably standard procedure until the appropriate individual can approve the release of surface area for non essential personnel.
 
Xcaliber said:
Yeah, well, I knew it was going to sound pretty ignorant, but it's the only even-slightly-plausible reason I could come up with for a 120 nm radius TFRo_O
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No dig meant on you. It's the AF. Over-reaction and hyper-cautiousness are part of the Core Values.
 
Quick question. Whats up at Nellis? I used to see numerous fighters and other aircraft blasting off on my drive to work. I havent seen anything in quite a while. Maybe a few helos here and there but thats it. Is that sequester related?
 
SeanD said:
Quick question. Whats up at Nellis? I used to see numerous fighters and other aircraft blasting off on my drive to work. I havent seen anything in quite a while. Maybe a few helos here and there but thats it. Is that sequester related?
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Obamacare!!


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