Aviation Mgmt or Comm. Aviation?

If you do aviation management do you still get the reduced hiring minimiums and stuff like that? Coming from UND I thought you would have to do commercial aviation to get all these airline reduced times. Maybe not?
 
CRJ700 said:
If you do aviation management do you still get the reduced hiring minimiums and stuff like that? Coming from UND I thought you would have to do commercial aviation to get all these airline reduced times. Maybe not?
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As long as you are an UND Alumni the reduced hiring mins apply. I was an Aviation Management major and was hired a couple of years ago with the "reduced" mins for a collegiate aviation program. Someone also asked about getting more ratings beyond comm., inst., amel/asel. You can do that as well, I went on to get cfi, cfii, and mei.
 
eglplt said:
As long as you are an UND Alumni the reduced hiring mins apply. I was an Aviation Management major and was hired a couple of years ago with the "reduced" mins for a collegiate aviation program. Someone also asked about getting more ratings beyond comm., inst., amel/asel. You can do that as well, I went on to get cfi, cfii, and mei.
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Very good to point that out. The flight training is the same no matter what aviation-related major. Even engineering majors can take 102 and get their Private (I'm not sure if they can go on though all the way through?). One of my flight instructors had a mechanical engineering student who just wanted his Private.
 
If I remember correctly, and it has been a while, there is some type of aviation minor listed in the catalog. I believe that minor will allow for you to go all the way through 325. You can always work with flight ops to continue on with more courses. There is no reason you can't design your degree coursework to suit your needs. My suggestion would be to get in touch with your advisor and have them guide you. You should have a very good relationship with your advisor in the first place.
 
eglplt said:
If I remember correctly, and it has been a while, there is some type of aviation minor listed in the catalog. I believe that minor will allow for you to go all the way through 325. You can always work with flight ops to continue on with more courses. There is no reason you can't design your degree coursework to suit your needs. My suggestion would be to get in touch with your advisor and have them guide you. You should have a very good relationship with your advisor in the first place.
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It's a professional flight minor. To get that minor, you can't be majoring in any other aviation major (if I understand the wording correctly).
 
Bignellyxx said:
Acct is definitely hard as hell. I would suggest taking Acct 1 here with Carlson and take 2 at the air base. I was the only one of my friends dumb enough to battle it out and ended up with a B & C. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the best bonus to taking business classes. The fact that there are girls, good looking ones on the east side of campus. I am currently taking a class that is in the nursing building and all i have to say is damn...i feel bad for the commercial majors that only know the two genders as male and she-pilot

:nana2:
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Nelly,
What are you doing looking at girls -- you have a girlfriend! :-P
 
I agree, as a UND grad from the summer, and an aviation management major, there were two major plus points for this route.... closer to a 50/50 ratio of male/female, unlike the 99.99/0.001 in the aviation classes, and it was something else to think about other than aviation. I do love flying, but being around people that talk about only aviation all the time was overbearing. But, don't go into the business route thinking its going to be as easy as the flight courses. If you do, like i did in accounting, you will be taking it over again! :) Even though there are courses like accounting that everyone dreads, there are some classes that were actually interesting, or parts of the course were interesting. Business law, and strategic mgmt were two, and even Human Resourse mgmt was ok. this being said, i say good luck to those of you looking to attend und, or that are already there.
 
TDoc said:
I agree, as a UND grad from the summer, and an aviation management major, there were two major plus points for this route.... closer to a 50/50 ratio of male/female, unlike the 99.99/0.001 in the aviation classes, and it was something else to think about other than aviation. I do love flying, but being around people that talk about only aviation all the time was overbearing. But, don't go into the business route thinking its going to be as easy as the flight courses. If you do, like i did in accounting, you will be taking it over again! :) Even though there are courses like accounting that everyone dreads, there are some classes that were actually interesting, or parts of the course were interesting. Business law, and strategic mgmt were two, and even Human Resourse mgmt was ok. this being said, i say good luck to those of you looking to attend und, or that are already there.
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I'm finding my Business Law class to be very interesting... also for some reason my Money and Banking class is interesting. I thought that'd be the most boring class out of my schedule. The time flies by when I'm in those classes.
 
Do you think if you want to get hired at UND flight instructing you still will be at the same level as a commercial aviation student if you take CFI and CFII here at UND. Do you think they care what degree you get if you are trying to become an instructor?
 
I would say no. My tour guide that gave me a tour awhile ago was a part time instructor that majored in aviation management. He was pretty high up in SAAC so maybe that helped him out a lot. I dont really know though.
 
CRJ700 said:
Do you think if you want to get hired at UND flight instructing you still will be at the same level as a commercial aviation student if you take CFI and CFII here at UND. Do you think they care what degree you get if you are trying to become an instructor?
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It makes no difference, trust me I have experience with this! They will know who you are because Avit. Mgmt. requires you to fly all the way through 325. You can continue on with 414, 415, and 416 as electives. There are many different ways to do it. Like I said earlier, work with your advisor and things will happen. I would recommend taking CFI at UND if you want to instruct there.
 
eglplt said:
It makes no difference, trust me I have experience with this! They will know who you are because Avit. Mgmt. requires you to fly all the way through 325. You can continue on with 414, 415, and 416 as electives. There are many different ways to do it. Like I said earlier, work with your advisor and things will happen. I would recommend taking CFI at UND if you want to instruct there.
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What about doing CFI-I over the summer at another location, outside of UND? Then MEI? Much cheaper that way. Will it have a negative impact on trying to get a job as a flight instructor at UND?
 
JaceTheAce said:
What about doing CFI-I over the summer at another location, outside of UND? Then MEI? Much cheaper that way. Will it have a negative impact on trying to get a job as a flight instructor at UND?
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I don't think CFI-I at another location is that big of a deal to them. Keep in mind that they "prefer" students who earn their instructor ratings through UND. That is one way they can assure standardization of their policies and procedures. MEI is another story. If you do MEI at another location, UND still makes you go through the second block of 416. So you factor the cost of obtaining your MEI and then an additional cost of completing the second block at UND. Most people I saw do this ended up spending more money in the long run than if they would have just went through 416. My suggestion would be to get hired and then complete 416 at staff rates. It is very reasonable doing it this way, that is if you intend on teaching there. If you don't want to instruct for UND then get your ratings elsewhere at the best cost.
 
eglplt said:
I don't think CFI-I at another location is that big of a deal to them. Keep in mind that they "prefer" students who earn their instructor ratings through UND. That is one way they can assure standardization of their policies and procedures. MEI is another story. If you do MEI at another location, UND still makes you go through the second block of 416. So you factor the cost of obtaining your MEI and then an additional cost of completing the second block at UND. Most people I saw do this ended up spending more money in the long run than if they would have just went through 416. My suggestion would be to get hired and then complete 416 at staff rates. It is very reasonable doing it this way, that is if you intend on teaching there. If you don't want to instruct for UND then get your ratings elsewhere at the best cost.
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I'd like to instruct for UND - looks like I will graduate this December (Av Management) with the slight chance of Spring 2007 graduation because I may not want to take 18 credits the last semester. By that time I should have my CFI, assuming I finish my flight courses back to back, and over the summer. It'd be nice to have instructor rates for MEI!
 
JaceTheAce said:
It'd be nice to have instructor rates for MEI!
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It really makes a difference. Doing 416 with instructor rates more than cuts the cost in half. UND prefers this as well, just ask Dick Schultz what his thoughts are!
 
UND_Flyer said:
You must really like Grand Forks then:D... j/k
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I love it so much :sarcasm: that I am buying a house next summer (condo/attached home/duplex to be exact). Since my mortgage wouldn't be much more than the rent I am paying, with 1 extra roommate I'd get my monthly payment share down to about $400. The big expense is the property taxes here.

I know I really complain about Grand Forks, but we all make sacrifices to get to our goals in the future. Living in Grand Forks is one of my sacrifices.
 
I hear you guys talking about taking accounting at the air force base and stuff. How does that work, I hear it is a quarter system or something, could you give me some insight on what it is like and some info about taking classes at the air force base? Also I'm interested in trying an online class and wanted some input on that if anyone has taken one or heard anything about that. Thanks!
 
taking ISBE 320 as online class right now...

its super annoying but........id rather do an annoying and worthless class at home in my PJ's, than lug my ass to campus to deal with it.



CRJ700 said:
I hear you guys talking about taking accounting at the air force base and stuff. How does that work, I hear it is a quarter system or something, could you give me some insight on what it is like and some info about taking classes at the air force base? Also I'm interested in trying an online class and wanted some input on that if anyone has taken one or heard anything about that. Thanks!
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CRJ700 said:
I hear you guys talking about taking accounting at the air force base and stuff. How does that work, I hear it is a quarter system or something, could you give me some insight on what it is like and some info about taking classes at the air force base? Also I'm interested in trying an online class and wanted some input on that if anyone has taken one or heard anything about that. Thanks!
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I took a couple of classes at the Air Base (Lake Region State College). First, check the web site for classes offered and schedules. http://www.lrsc.nodak.edu. You had to go out to the Base and register back when I took classes out there, but I think you can register online now through PeopleSoft. You can also call them if you have any questions, they are usually pretty helpful. I never took an online class through UND so I can't comment on that, but they seem to be a bit more expensive than going to the actual lecture class.
 
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