Aviation mechanics...

I can only speak of 121 world. I haven't met too many mechanics that hate their job. There are a few. I mean who really likes lav diving!:rolleyes: The 121 world is much more time focused than GA. I've been out on the line and I've been in MCC, so I know how both sides see it. MCC is pressured to minimize ground time and not screw up the schedule too much.. MCC in turn pressures the line mechanics to fix or MEL the problem as quickly as possible. A lot of time line maintenance pushes back and needs more time. There just isn't a lot of troubleshooting time in between flights, so that's when they just throw parts at the problem to see what works and fixes the problem. If it's a deferral item, it gets deferred or continues on MEL. My A&P will payoff in dividends when it comes time to fly professionally and have to go through systems during training! ;)
 
I've thought about leaving aviation in the last couple of years, I've been working around airplanes and helicopters since I was a teenager, I literally haven't had a non-aviation job since I was 19. I don't know how to do anything else. I had an interview with a company that makes small turbines for generators but I was offered a position with an established company working on jets so I blew it off, always wonder where that road would have led.
 
I've thought about leaving aviation in the last couple of years, I've been working around airplanes and helicopters since I was a teenager, I literally haven't had a non-aviation job since I was 19. I don't know how to do anything else. I had an interview with a company that makes small turbines for generators but I was offered a position with an established company working on jets so I blew it off, always wonder where that road would have led.

I have a friend who took a job as a turbine generator mechanic. He makes over $100k but works like an indentured servant.
 
When I was a student pilot and private pilot I had no idea what mechanic's did, so I didn't have a lot of respect for their job. I didn't have any disrespect for it either, but I didn't realize the depth of knowledge and skill required to perform the job well. When I started working a charter gig I would often work at our company hangar and spend lots of time with the director of maintenance. I learned so much from him, and still do. I had no idea about the amount of work that goes into maintaining an aircraft. Since then my respect for the field has greatly increased, and so had my interest in it.

As for the pilot and mechanic feud or struggle, I'd suggest that the pilots should spend a good amount of time with their mechanics to see what the job is all about. We are trusting our lives with their work. It's a great way to learn about the intricacies of your aircraft, as well as what goes on behind the scenes.
 
I've worn both hats professionally. In the years of my heavy jet and GA wrenching, I enjoyed it, fixed it right the first time, and did my best to help an on-time departure. Troops were waiting for stuff on this plane, and I took it personal to get it fixed and on the way. 2am, on top of a 65 foot t-tail, in the rain, safety wiring a bolt, was miserable. Get the job done and see your work take flight, that was instant gratification.

But that's about where the gratification comes to a stop. It is extremely rare for a mechanic to be recognized for their efforts. How many times has a Captain, Aircraft Commander, or senior officer come back afterwards to Joe Wrench and thanked him, acknowledged his effort, or wrote a commendation letter to his supervisor. An extremely rare event. Often times, the flight crew is pushy to get the mechanic to sign the paperwork, get off the flight deck, and not get grease smudges on the seats.

And so young chipper Joe Wrench goes through this cycle. Hurry up, do a perfect job, get out of the way. Get pulled from job to job as priority changes. Respond to often vague or un-repeatable write-ups made by pilots who don't fully understand the normal system operation. Get your pension taken away. Have your union dues increase. Buy new tools. Get assigned more extra duties. It doesn't take long before young and chipper can get worn down. Who wouldn't become that way? A highly experienced A&P rarely, rarely receives the social accolades as would a similarly experienced pilot.

As I wear the other hat now, I'm reminded of my beginnings every time a write up goes in the books. I see things from the other side that resonate as they did not before. What gets me the most is the penchant for mechanics to do the minimum. There seems to be the overall tendency to defer to the maximum of the MEL limits, rather than to get something fixed. It often falls on the Captain to outright refuse an airplane in order to get something worked on, often having to battle a mx supervisor about the delay code. It creates hostility, and is poor service to our customers. What gets even more frustrating is when I know something is obviously wrong, come out after maintenance has worked on it, only to find half-assed troubleshooting, could not duplicate, "within limits", and even the almighty pencil whip. Oh, on your walkaround you found a blown strut with black fluid running down the chrome? Wipe it down with dirty rag, a shot of compressed air (not even nitrogen), and you're good to go sir. That stuff floors me, and has happened to me. "You're a pilot, not a mechanic, who are you to say what's good and what's not?" It gets to be a hardball game at that point, a game that just raises tensions.

I expect an A&P to see the bigger picture and keep the metal flying, and also to have the fortitude to stop the show and take the delay hit when it is necessary. If they are making the right call, they should be backed up by their superiors as well as the flight crew. I also expect the guys and gals I share a flight deck with to know the systems well enough to avoid stupid and wasteful write-ups. Perhaps I'm too much of an optimist, but if there is decent respect for the other guys job, the culture between the two is often much better.

Well that's a pretty thorough reply. Thank you for that. And I must say that I always make an effort to say thanks to the mechanics that work on my airplane.
 
I'm not very grumpy... and I love taking time to teach a pilot something that, perhaps, their instructor didn't have time to... after all, it makes my job easier in the long run. I've been known to curse at an engineer or two but in the end being a mechanic has been incredibly rewarding... I just hope I never have to do it for a living again.

I dunno man. Some people are just hateful bastards ;)
 
I'm a car enthusiast and I love machines, as well as figuring out how they work. But my Dad was an A&P for Usairways and my brother also became an A&P working for Comair until he was laid off, so I grew up with a lot of mechanical talent that I don't have. I try to do my own work on my cars and other things around the home, but I know my limits. When I can't do it, I let someone else do it who makes their living at it.

Part of the problem is that we, as pilots, are given a certain amount of knowledge through our various ratings and training. Enough to pass a checkride and understand most things one a working basis. But not enough to really understand how things "work". So when something breaks, we have to write it up. But if you don't have a mechanical mindset and it breaks, you just write it up with "xxxx INOP"

The problem most mechanics have with pilots is with those write-ups or vague statements about what's wrong. Rarely do things just "break". Usually there's a sign or symptoms of the impending problem. But without the ability to tell maintenance what's wrong or what the plane was doing before something went wrong, the mechanics have to diagnose and fix at the same time, which is time consuming and frustrating for them. And our various carriers (regionals especially) don't give them the time or materials to do their job right.

But mechanics also have to understand that most pilots aren't mechanics or mechanically inclined. We're only required to know the basics of the system and how it functions. Many pilots stop right there.

Pilots and mechanics will always be at some kind of odds with each other. We break the planes they have to fix them. For whatever reason, they chose to wrench on planes and not cars,boats or otherwise(for a living anyway). We chose to fly planes and not drive a truck, pilot a boat etc. Doctors get the glory, nurses do quite a bit of the work. There's always an aspect of any industry that gets all the recognition while some equally important aspect toils in obscurity.
 
I'm not very grumpy... and I love taking time to teach a pilot something that, perhaps, their instructor didn't have time to... after all, it makes my job easier in the long run. I've been known to curse at an engineer or two but in the end being a mechanic has been incredibly rewarding... I just hope I never have to do it for a living again.

I dunno man. Some people are just hateful bastards ;)

You my favoritist mechanic ever.
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I'm gonna agree that it's situation dependent. Big companies tend to make things difficult for employees. As a mechanic, my job is to turn the airplane safely and get it back in the air. I could have a variety of tasks to do, some very invasive and lengthy. In the Air Force, each task has a length of time assigned to it. We still get pressure from the Top to keep things moving, but then again, we aren't in the profit side of aviation.

I can totally see a 121 airline taking the fun out of maintenance, especially on the Line, where spontaneity is constantly fighting Management.

I grew up in the 91 Corporate world. The guys my dad worked with had this "Everything is Awesome" air about them. I remember hearing them complain, but it was almost with a smile. My dad was always messing with something in hangar, but there was rarely a rush to get things done. Man, you could eat off the floor in that hangar! It was really a great place to be. Other companies can be the exact opposite.

My brother is a FedEx mechanic. He likes it.
 
I'm gonna agree that it's situation dependent. Big companies tend to make things difficult for employees. As a mechanic, my job is to turn the airplane safely and get it back in the air. I could have a variety of tasks to do, some very invasive and lengthy. In the Air Force, each task has a length of time assigned to it. We still get pressure from the Top to keep things moving, but then again, we aren't in the profit side of aviation.

I can totally see a 121 airline taking the fun out of maintenance, especially on the Line, where spontaneity is constantly fighting Management.

I grew up in the 91 Corporate world. The guys my dad worked with had this "Everything is Awesome" air about them. I remember hearing them complain, but it was almost with a smile. My dad was always messing with something in hangar, but there was rarely a rush to get things done. Man, you could eat off the floor in that hangar! It was really a great place to be. Other companies can be the exact opposite.

My brother is a FedEx mechanic. He likes it.
Oh believe me small companies can have their share of suck.
 
My first aviation job out of college had me working as an A&P several days a week and flying several days a week. I absolutely loved it and I believe that was the best possible thing for me to do. It was a great environment to be an A&P without all the drama and politics that "usually" go along with a large shop. After my first year I moved to a different company base and maintenance became a miserable hassle. I wasn't able to do the jobs I'd been doing just days earlier and what I was allowed to do required superfluous amounts of managerial nonsense. A 20 minute job became a 3 hour job because I had to wait for a manager to approve my parts requisition, wait for parts department to issue my parts, hope they were the right parts, and then hope that someone else wasn't now working in my way.

That being said, I enjoy maintenance, but I enjoy flying and I've become a full-time flyer now. I still insist on knowing whats going on with my aircraft, what mx is due next and I like knowing as much as I can about the Mx program my aircraft is part of. I was even chastised for asking about the Mx program on the plane I'm currently flying and it pissed me off. The culture of blindly flying an aircraft without knowing required information is not one that I will put up with.
 
I think some of the friction between pilots and mechanics is a perspective/culture issue. Being a mechanic and a pilot does help me relate better to both sides. However, when the moment calls for pilot bashing in a group of mechanics, i am usually the closest victim, same is true when a group of pilots are ragging on mechanics. I lean more toward the mechanic viewpoint though, 12 years as a mechanic vs 2 as a entry level professional pilot (CFI).
 
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