Aviation and Law Enforcement

scramjet said:
I know some agencies will train you provided you have the patrol experience. Los Angeles Police Department, for instance, will train you to fly their helos if you have a PPL and five years of patrol experience (and of course providing that you are selected for a pilot slot). Other agencies such as the Pennsylvania State Police require you to have the ratings AND hours in addition to having been a patrolman.
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LAPD requires a minimum of 100 hours PIC.
 
Bandit_Driver said:
2 great police slogans

If you run, you'll only go to jail tired.

Spend time with your kids so we don't have to.

I saw a CBP helo opening on USA jobs once. Appeared to be a direct hire if you had Blackhawk time.
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My favorite of all time:

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
 
I've been a cop for 7 years and still have not gotten a flight slot. I guess I would be a little disgruntled if my agency actually had any aircraft. ;) Most LE agencies are using rotorcraft now days.
 
NH is the same..

but check out the bling gold exhaust on the State police helo...
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I'm looking at transitioning into law enforcement, and although I'm not limiting my search to departments with aircraft, I am somewhat focusing my search in that regard.

Personally, if I was a patrolman, I'd hope the "eyes in the sky" had a good idea of what was going on down on the ground. It's similar to an airline pilot who has worked ramp and customer service. They have an appreciation for the other jobs they are supporting (I believe pilots support customer service and vice versa).

Personally, if I make the switch to LE, I'm not expecting I will be able to fly for my department. It would be nice, but I also know there are other facets of LE that interest me. I'd suggest NOT going into law enforcement only hoping to fly... There are very few slots and I'm sure many people would like the position.
 
BillErvin said:
Speaking of that, are we going to see you on border wars one of these days:beer:
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Am on some of the ops where we were filming, as we had two birds carrying the NatGeo crews, so am sure I appear somewhere in the background there.
 
Maryland State Police hires civilians, but they do require a substantial amount of time. They are currently transitioning to an all AW-139 fleet that they will be flying two pilot. They also operate a King Air 350 and P210. Delaware State Police requires five years of service to apply for a pilot slot, with no guarentees. All they require is a fixed wing private.

Alex
 
BCTAv8r said:
When you need X amount of time as a LEO, is that time in a specific agency or time as a LEO?
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The job postings I've seen it's time as a LEO. If they only do internal transfers into the pilot slots, I'd imagine it's probably got some time with that agency involved. The question I have is does FFDO count as time as a LEO?
 
BCTAv8r said:
When you need X amount of time as a LEO, is that time in a specific agency or time as a LEO?
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I would think it would depend on the agency.

kellwolf said:
The question I have is does FFDO count as time as a LEO?
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:rotfl::rotfl:Stop it... stop it..... your killing me:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
FFDO's have no law enforcement authority:eek:. They can carry a weapon, and have a neato badge, but do not have arrest authority (as a LEO). Unless they have had LEO training outside of their flying job they do not meet training requirements for most state or federal training/standards authorities.
 
BillErvin said:
:rotfl::rotfl:Stop it... stop it..... your killing me:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
FFDO's have no law enforcement authority:eek:. They can carry a weapon, and have a neato badge, but do not have arrest authority (as a LEO). Unless they have had LEO training outside of their flying job they do not meet training requirements for most state or federal training/standards authorities.
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Was an honest question. Didn't think it was THAT far out in left field, but whatever.
 
It's a shame that so many LEO's are quick to put down an ffdo...

But then, it's even funnier to see a LEO's reaction when he/she learns how much authority they have while riding an airliner :). Although i think somewhere along the line, somebody took to thinking that FFDO's thought they were LEO's, which they don't. A Federal Officer is not a law enforcement officer in this case, so I guess I don't really understand where the friction comes from.

It's not like I want to go out and bill the unpaid parking meters or something :) ( I kid, I kid)
 
TUCKnTRUCK said:
It's a shame that so many LEO's are quick to put down an ffdo...

As a retired NYPD Officer, I can say FFDO's don't respond to domestic violence calls, shootings, robberies, stabbings, fatal car accidents, abandoned children, missing children, abused children, chase drug dealers as I did almost daily, traffic stops at night with tinted windows, pull guns out of dealers waistbands.

I even had a hospital security guard flash a badge and say "I'm on the job", um..no you're not.
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Play nice, guys! Arguments concerning such issues tend to go round and round much like turboprop v. jet drivers, etc. No, FFDOs are not law enforcement, I definitely agree. However, I could argue that their presence is a deterrent and therefore important. There's nothing I can't stand more than a boy's club mentality - I personally don't care whether or not you carry a piece of man-jewelry in your wallet. If you're a good person and a professional, that's what I'll remember.

Bottom line: there are mopes in both lines of work that make the rest look bad.

J.
 
Sorry Kellwolf, proably shouldn't have went down that road, it just struck me as funny:D

I've been an LEO in one form or fashion for 30 years, patrol officer, Deputy Sheriff, Border Patrol, BLAH BLAH. My last eight years were as an FAM which I retired from.

I met a lot of FFDOs as a FAM, most were sharp professional and humble individuals, a few.... well lets just say they weren't.

Take that same statement and insert (FAM, COP, BP Agent) I met over the years as well.

The honest answer is probably not, FFDOs are not recognized as LEOs by any agency that I'm aware of. But I have been wrong before:D
 
TUCKnTRUCK said:
Although i think somewhere along the line, somebody took to thinking that FFDO's thought they were LEO's, which they don't. A Federal Officer is not a law enforcement officer in this case, so I guess I don't really understand where the friction comes from.

It's not like I want to go out and bill the unpaid parking meters or something :) ( I kid, I kid)
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I had several that wanted to infer that:whatever:, but like I said most were great folks
 
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