Aussie Pilots Recruited for a US Airline ?

cda_to_usa said:
Canada and the U.S. now recognize one anothers ATP licenses.

I don't think the U.S. has that kind of deal with any other country though.
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Interesting. Any idea how long has this arrangement has been in effect ?

Why would they do this...what's in it for either side ?

You aren't having a...PILOT SHORTAGE !!...up there are ya ?

:D
 
bafanguy said:
Interesting. Any idea how long has this arrangement has been in effect ?

Why would they do this...what's in it for either side ?

You aren't having a...PILOT SHORTAGE !!...up there are ya ?

:D
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I know that this has been in place since at least 2009 when i started.
And like the poster said, it goes both ways. FAA ATP license holders can get Transport Canada licences and vice versa.
 
CRJDriver said:
That's great, but it's all worthless if you can't get the right to work in Canada.
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Seems to be true but all that legal mumbo-jumbo is just ink spots on paper, put there by government pencil monkeys who can also change them if/when properly motivated.

I'd expect governments to be a bit protectionist until that gets in the way of keeping the wheels turning. The now-defunct Jetsgo Airlines "imported" a number of US MD80 captains a few years back, albeit for a relatively short contract. Work visas appeared without any fuss or muss...as did license validations based on an FAA ATP + DC9 type rating. If they want ya, they'll have ya.

That's why I was curious about the reciprocal availability of a full-fledged Canadian ATP, when that started and more importantly, why.

Follow the money...it's behind everything. :biggrin:
 
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Johnny Beau Bekkestad said:
True that! I am going over this hell as we are speaking... The examiners here are charging 1000$ per checkride and i need to do three... The fee for the Seminole is 500$/hour.
So far it has taken me 2.5 years and i am almost done.
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Took me a full 11 months doing the conversion full time. I went the piston route and it probably cost me around $15,000.
 
Zondaracer said:
Took me a full 11 months doing the conversion full time. I went the piston route and it probably cost me around $15,000.
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I could not do it full time, wife followed me back to Sweden, first kid born 4 months later. Studying in south Sweden and working in Stockholm was not easy.
Almost done now. Second kid any day now though... ;)
I might postpone flight training until November
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Eh, if I think it's too hot in Yuma, I'll certainly find it to be too hot in Dubai. (and a few other things)

I'll never say never, but there are only a handful of foreign gigs that interest me.
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I'm the same way. Honestly, I'm happier flying a CRJ at SKW out of DEN than I would be at Emirates. I've been qualified for them (and other foreign carriers) for awhile, but they just don't fit my plans.
 
GypsyPilot said:
I'm the same way. Honestly, I'm happier flying a CRJ at SKW out of DEN than I would be at Emirates. I've been qualified for them (and other foreign carriers) for awhile, but they just don't fit my plans.
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I'm not sure I'd use the term "happy" and "CRJ (200)" together, but yeah.

I love my country.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
I'm not sure I'd use the term "happy" and "CRJ (200)" together, but yeah.

I love my country.
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I don't fly the 200, at least very often. But I do have about 14-16 days off each month, and even more when I'm flying the ASE system. It's about time off for me, whatever gets me up into the mountains!
 
GypsyPilot said:
I don't fly the 200, at least very often. But I do have about 14-16 days off each month, and even more when I'm flying the ASE system. It's about time off for me, whatever gets me up into the mountains!
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Well, all the egomaniacs are going to the EMB 180 EMB 175. Figured I'd be in good company that way, and had this "you had better try to get it now, or you will never, ever get it out west" feeling too.

O'Hare wouldn't necessarily be a bad career move for me either, should the situation prove intolerable. Should it prove REALLY intolerable, I'll just sit out my seat lock and take back all the nasty things I've said about Canadair.
 
raysalmon said:
Absolutely. Part of the ICAO standards are that member countries recognize each other's private pilot certificates, but that is where it stops. Interestingly enough, many countries will take any level of FAA certificate and just validate it for use in their country, both private and professional level. The FAA only validates at the private level. As a result, the holder of a foreign license wanting to fly professionally in the US is going to need a full US certificate, just like Americans.

61.77 only applies to aircraft on the US registry that are leased to foreign carriers. It does not apply to US aircraft used by US carriers.
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Yeah, technically foreigners do need a full US certificate just like Americans, however they can obtain an ATP certificate based on their foreign certificate. All they need to do is the requied training and checkride for the ATP, just like any FAA-rated pilot. There's no eligibility difference between and FAA pilots and foreign pilots.

§61.153 Eligibility requirements: General.
To be eligible for an airline transport pilot certificate, a person must:

(d) Meet at least one of the following requirements:

(3) Holds either a foreign airline transport pilot license with instrument privileges, or a foreign commercial pilot license with an instrument rating, that—

(i) Was issued by a contracting State to the Convention on International Civil Aviation; and
(ii) Contains no geographical limitations.
 
sigler said:
...however they can obtain an ATP certificate based on their foreign certificate. All they need to do is the requied training and checkride for the ATP, just like any FAA-rated pilot. There's no eligibility difference between and FAA pilots and foreign pilots.
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Interesting. I'm not much of a jailhouse lawyer. When that FAR is boiled down, isn't the foreign national just getting credit for his foreign flight time (which obviously required a foreign license to accumulate) ?

He still has to meet the same FAA experience requirements, take the same amount/type of training, the same written and flight check as the guy who was born and raised in Paducah who did all his flying here in the USA, right ?

If so, I'm glad to see folks can't walk in here, get a shortcut and get a license to fly for hire. Protectionist ? Probably...
 
bafanguy said:
Interesting. I'm not much of a jailhouse lawyer. When that FAR is boiled down, isn't the foreign national just getting credit for his foreign flight time (which obviously required a foreign license to accumulate) ?

He still has to meet the same FAA experience requirements, take the same amount/type of training, the same written and flight check as the guy who was born and raised in Paducah who did all his flying here in the USA, right ?

If so, I'm glad to see folks can't walk in here, get a shortcut and get a license to fly for hire. Protectionist ? Probably...
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Yup, you nailed it.
 
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