ATP Sacramento

DE727UPS said:
Clocks. Don't get your panties in such a wad.
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There are perfectly legitimate critiques of ATP. If you think the program is too fast, or too expensive, if you don't like a particular instructor, if you think the 79 model seminoles are showing their age, if you think the CFIs are underpaid, or under-experienced (though only 1 CFI at my location went through the 90 day program), or any number of other issues ATP has (which both my university and the small FBO I went to shared a number of), that's great. Post those thoughts. When little Timmy comes here and he's about to graduate high school and he doesn't know what to do, point him in the direction you think is best. I know ATP isn't right for everyone. I'm not sure I would have been successful in it (took me 5.5 years at a university to finish everything). But do it without the sarcastic, condescending, and outright insulting comments. Then perhaps we (members of this forum) could discuss our difference of opinion instead of tossing insults.
 
v1valarob said:
What kind of seasoning? Spending money flying around?
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One of the big problems I have with the 90-day program is that you're pretty much seeing one season. You may fly across the country once, but you're still limited in types of weather to which you're exposed. The biggest issue that I have, though, is their attempts to get people hired at regionals with ridiculously low hours. Providing the regionals with starry-eyed 300hr 20yr old guys who feel unbelievably fortunate to be anywhere near an airliner is in no way healthy for the industry.

I did my PPL at the FBOs, as did most of the ATP guys Im in here with now. CFIs and Students. We all agree that the FBOs sucked. They took too much time, and eventually wasted our money. I cant tell you how many times I got screwed because a plane was broken, or someone took it for too long.
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You were at the wrong FBO's then.

No. Im refering to the way in which you can go about training. Back in the day it used to be FBOs or ERAU (not sure when university's began teaching though) and it just seems like your old fashioned and havent seen that there are others way now. Things are changing, get used to it.
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Don't think that ATP is some revolutionary form of flight training--fast-paced training has been available at a lot of places for a long time. ATP's marketing department may have you believe that they're some new wave in flight training, but it's just a new way of marketing something that's been around a while.

I've known some good pilots from ATP, and some really bad ones--it's just like any flight school. I just really don't like it when people compare FBO's to community colleges and ATP to Harvard (yes, I've read that on here).
 
HP N826AW said:
Posts like yours degrade overall thread quality and IMHO don't belong here. It is tough for new members with concerns about a career in aviation to find answers when they are forced to wade through posts with name calling.

I suggest you pay this thread a visit. http://forums.jetcareers.com/general-topics/50638-fanatasic-time-review.html

Okay I'll put my soapbox away. :banghead:

- Matt
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ya i was the original creator of this thread and every one of the posts in here by you clowns is completely off topic
 
"But do it without the sarcastic, condescending, and outright insulting comments. Then perhaps we (members of this forum) could discuss our difference of opinion instead of tossing insults."

I think there are like three of you "memebers of this forum" that have a problem with how I post. For example, Capt Bob, the God of everything that is pro-ATP, has been strangely silent. You wanna know why? He's embarrased at the content of how a few ATP guys present themselves here and wants no part of it. Capt Bob is a class act, though I often disagree with him at this forum, he's never called me a troll or a...."<quote removed SC>" (how does someone even get away with that here <they don't. review Doug's actions above. SC>).

I'll leave you with this.

People considering ATP will read this thread. Do you think they will be impressed?
 
"<quote removed, SC>"

This is how it works Rickurukus.

On 8-6-07 your said at APC:

"i worked the line at Pavco for the last year or so and now I am working at Executive Terminal"

Both of these places are at Tacoma Narrows Airport. Gig Harbor, WA.

Later, you mention you'll be starting at the SAC location of ATP on September 10th.

The internet isn't such a small place, dude. Do a search here for "networking". It means something.
 
Well there's only two people on the ATP forums that seem to be able to drag threads down into the mud as soon as they post. One is rickurukus, the other is you DE727. rickurukus because he posts as if he is 7 years old. Your posts because they are off-topic and condescending, and even manage to pull in "that's unnecessary" comments from people who never even posted on this board before.

I can't speak for rickurukus, and hopefully he gets banned. But I don't browse through other flight school's boards and post random negative comments about their program. I really don't understand why you do it here. Again, it's not about having a different opinion (though you love to claim that it is). It doesn't matter what rickurukus's opinion is on a subject if he's going to use the term "<quote removed, SC>" he's not going to be welcome. If you were posting your opinion in a thread about the speed of ATP's program and quality of 90 day graduate instructors it would be one thing. But your opinion takes a back seat because you simply can't resist bashing ATP with random comments at every opportunity.

Your experience and knowledge is great and I'm sure I could learn a lot from you. But unfortunately you apply neither here. All we get is your sarcasm.
 
Sorry I didn't catch that earlier. He's got seven days to calm down.
 
"If you were posting your opinion in a thread about the speed of ATP's program and quality of 90 day graduate instructors it would be one thing."

Ummm....m'kay...

You wanna start one of those and I'd be happy to comment. Feel free to go back and look how I became involved in this thread. Someone felt he was discriminated against because of his lack of religion. I asked for an ATP guy to comment (isn't that what this site is about). And a sarcastic response followed...

"Your experience and knowledge is great and I'm sure I could learn a lot from you. But unfortunately you apply neither here. All we get is your sarcasm."

Again, who's "WE". I'm guessing it's the same three or so that throw mud here. I'm not worried about it.

I've been pretty consistant in mentioning the 90 day program and ATP marketing in my critism. I've been pretty consistant in saying ATP isn't a bad choice for a guy looking for a 14 day CFI program or that self paced is an expensive, but worthy, way to get your ratings.

I'm kinda gonna miss Rickrur, he represented ATP so well. Good thing he doesn't really go there. Yet....
 
This is a form and everyone is entitled to their views and opinions.

I did the ATP 90 day thing last year and then instructed at a local FBO. I feel like I am a good pilot and many of my ATP friends think I am crazy for having +900 hours and havent started applying yet. That is just a difference of opinions. 727UPS I agree that the minimums should be rasied. I also think that you can be just as good of a pilot at ATP as you can anywhere else. One thing that I think is A LITTLE bit better about ATP is the fact that they use DPE's instead of in house examination.

I have had the oppritunity to work with instructors from all over, ERAU, Flight Safety, younger FBO guy, FIT, Pan Am, another 5 year CFI who did it all at FBOs and can tell you that no one stands out as a more seasoned pilot. In fact the guy from ERAU and the younger FBO guy busted mexico airspace on their first day of instructing. And all the Acadamy guys there, ATP, Flight Safety, Pan AM are all still there and we all have well over 900 hours. While we had the FBO guy go try to get hired at the regionals with less than 600/100. I think it all depends on who the person attending the school is. Yeah ATP has the fast track to the airlines and it attracts young starry eyed 20 year olds that still get excited to ride in the back of airliners more or less fly one. But not everyone is like that, I knew from when I started ATP that I didn't have any business flying an airliner with 500 hours. So yes I see what you are saying with ATP but do I agree, a little but not 100%. Everyone is different at any school or vocation. Just because ATP pumps out pilots fast doesnt mean we all are the 500/100 kids waiting to fly an airliner for peanuts. ATP just tends to attract more of them, thats all.

Just my 2 cents...
 
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