ATP Question......

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TallFlyer

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If I, as a non-instrument current pilot, pass an ATP checkride does that restart my currency or should I have the instructor throw an IPC in the logbook?
 
tgrayson said:
Pilot checkrides do not reset instrument currency.
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I'd say it matters what Part you operate under.

I am unfamiliar with 91, 91k and 135, so I'll stick to what I know.

The 121 checkride DOES count for instrument currency. More specifically, the PC, as well as the initial type ride, both count. Recurrent rides also count.
 
Polar742 said:
I'd say it matters what Part you operate under.

I am unfamiliar with 91, 91k and 135, so I'll stick to what I know.

The 121 checkride DOES count for instrument currency. More specifically, the PC, as well as the initial type ride, both count. Recurrent rides also count.
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My ATP ride also counted as a 135.297 ride (instrument PC), but yeah, I've been out of the Part 61 flight instruction racket for a while now.
 
Polar742 said:
I'd say it matters what Part you operate under.

I am unfamiliar with 91, 91k and 135, so I'll stick to what I know.

The 121 checkride DOES count for instrument currency. More specifically, the PC, as well as the initial type ride, both count. Recurrent rides also count.
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61.57

(2) This section does not apply to a pilot in command who is employed by an air carrier certificated under part 121 or 135 and is engaged in a flight operation under part 91, 121, or 135 for that air carrier if the pilot is in compliance with §§121.437 and 121.439, or §§135.243 and 135.247 of this chapter, as appropriate.
 
TallFlyer said:
If I, as a non-instrument current pilot, pass an ATP checkride does that restart my currency or should I have the instructor throw an IPC in the logbook?
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I guess the big question is if it is a 135/121 ride that will give the ATP, or are you doing it on your own....reference tgrayson's post.
 
Polar742 said:
I guess the big question is if it is a 135/121 ride that will give the ATP, or are you doing it on your own....reference tgrayson's post.
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My interpretation of what I posted is not that any 121 or 135 ride will restore currency, but only that currency as defined by 61.57 doesn't apply while performing operations of a 121 carrier.

Even if the ATP ride were performed under the auspices of 121 or 135, the regulation doesn't support the idea he'd be current to go out and fly his Bonanza in IFR conditions without meeting 61.57 currency requirements.
 
tgrayson said:
My interpretation of what I posted is not that any 121 or 135 ride will restore currency, but only that currency as defined by 61.57 doesn't apply while performing operations of a 121 carrier.

Even if the ATP ride were performed under the auspices of 121 or 135, the regulation doesn't support the idea he'd be current to go out and fly his Bonanza in IFR conditions without meeting 61.57 currency requirements.
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When I was at a carrier that performed training under Appdx H, we had required maneuvers do to the fact we had to satisfy the IPC during the yearly sim rides. Both FOs and CAs.

I'll look up the references.
 
Sorry for the formatting, it was copy/paste from the 8900....

References from the 8900:

[FONT=&quot]3-1278[FONT=&quot] [/FONT] [/FONT] PART 121 BASIC CHECKING MODULE. The basic checking module required in part 121 is referred to as a proficiency check. For pilots, a proficiency check consists of the written or oral test elements and the flight-test events specified in part 121, appendix F. Figure 3-80, Pilot Proficiency Check (Part 121), summarizes the elements and events that make up a proficiency check. A proficiency check qualifies pilots for both VFR and IFR Class I navigation and instrument approaches to standard minimums (Category I Approach (CAT I), if approved for the operator).
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[FONT=&quot]D.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT] [/FONT] Basic Checking Modules for § 135.293 IFR Competency Check. The minimum events for a § 135.293 IFR competency check are listed in the column marked “IFR COMP” in Table 3-70 for airplanes and in Table 3-71 for helicopters. 1)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT] PIC Requirements. PICs being trained in initial equipment and transition curricula for IFR operations have normally completed the requirements of § 135.297 within the preceding six months. If this is the case, the qualification module for these categories of training need only satisfy the requirements of § 135.293. The columns marked “IFR COMP” in Tables 3-70 and 3-71 reflect this assumption. When this assumption is not true, the operator must ensure that PICs meet the requirements of § 135.297.
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Polar742 said:
References from the 8900:
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None of these things appear to refer to the IPC as defined in 61.57(d). Rather, they're referring to "Proficiency Check" as defined, for instance, in § 121.441 (Proficiency checks) and § 135.297 (Pilot in command: Instrument proficiency check requirements). That's why the sections you quoted do not reference Part 61, only 121 and 135.
 
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I'm currently operating 135 VFR SE equipment, and I'd bet getting the ATP to act as PIC of ME equipment, both VFR and IFR under 135.

I'd be getting the ATP under 61 and not as any kind of a employment related checkride. It seems like the simplest option would to just get an IPC in my logbook with the instructor while receiving instruction to prep for the ride.
 
Hmmm, totally forgot about the 297 ride. I'd have to have that anyway to act as PIC under 135 on an IFR flight plan. I guess the only valid question at this point is whether an ATP checkride resets the clock on instrument currency under 61.
 
TallFlyer said:
I guess the only valid question at this point is whether an ATP checkride resets the clock on instrument currency under 61.
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That was your original question and there's nothing in 61.57 that indicates that it does. Without that, your only recourse would be a Letter of Interpretation that says that it does. I haven't seen it or heard of it, but I don't recall looking for it either.
 
When I did my ATP, I logged a few approaches in the sim for proficiency, then I logged 4 approaches and a hold during the ride.

Currency :)
 
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