ATP Phoenix

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Anyone have input on ATP Phoenix? Apartments, quality of instruction, training environment, etc...

What about CFI school? Is it true that Phoenix students are sent to Vegas? And is it true that its failure rate is very high at that particular location?

Thanks!
 
I do my best to steer people away from ATP Phoenix. However, it works for some people. I prefer a instructor who understands my way of learning and who runs me through so many possibilities that when it comes time for my checkride there's no surprises. Why not go to a local FBO and learn there?
~D
 
TUCRACEMAN said:
I do my best to steer people away from ATP Phoenix. However, it works for some people. I prefer a instructor who understands my way of learning and who runs me through so many possibilities that when it comes time for my checkride there's no surprises. Why not go to a local FBO and learn there?
~D
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So are these comments about atp phx? Or just your recommendation on where to do primary flight training?
 
Clocks said:
So are these comments about atp phx? Or just your recommendation on where to do primary flight training?
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I have plenty of other comments for ATP Phoenix. I'd recommend going to a local FBO and finding an instructor that works for you/them.
~D
 
TUCRACEMAN said:
I have plenty of other comments for ATP Phoenix. I'd recommend going to a local FBO and finding an instructor that works for you/them.
~D
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My instructor at ATP worked for me. Just because it didn't work for you doesn't mean it wont for anybody else.
 
I had no issues with ATP PHX; in fact I really enjoyed my time there. (Other than the heat) The apartments are in a great spot. I had a fantastic instructor that is now working for Eagle. But its true, ATP isn't for everyone and some people should go to an FBO. Call ATP set up a tour and they now offer a 100$ training flight, with an online intro course.
 
ATP PHX was ok, the location was great along with the wx ( I recommend training during the winter). It can get a little political at times, but that's a common theme in aviation. One thing that I realized is that not everyone that goes through the program is going to end up with a flying job, especially not w/ ATP. I'm just one of the lucky ones, so keep that in mind if you are going to sign up for the program w/out any outside income.
 
popaviator said:
ATP PHX was ok, the location was great along with the wx ( I recommend training during the winter). It can get a little political at times, but that's a common theme in aviation. One thing that I realized is that not everyone that goes through the program is going to end up with a flying job, especially not w/ ATP. I'm just one of the lucky ones, so keep that in mind if you are going to sign up for the program w/out any outside income.
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God Bless Your Soul popaviator!,

I am in the Los Angeles region and flying into Bakersfield listening to IFTA students is always interesting. My father decided to move to China for business...and I went to visit him last year. I flew China Eastern from Hangzhou to Beijing....YIKES! That was an...adventure! Feared for my life when we took off at a 75% gradient! Anyway keep up the good work as I respect the work you are doing working with foreign students.

Darren
 
dpgtime said:
God Bless Your Soul popaviator!,

I am in the Los Angeles region and flying into Bakersfield listening to IFTA students is always interesting. My father decided to move to China for business...and I went to visit him last year. I flew China Eastern from Hangzhou to Beijing....YIKES! That was an...adventure! Feared for my life when we took off at a 75% gradient! Anyway keep up the good work as I respect the work you are doing working with foreign students.

Darren
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Thanks....it's definitely a challenge. I'm sitting at my laptop in one of our hangars waitng for my student to bring me the notams for our route of flight....its bee over 30 mins :insane:. Oh well, eventually they get it, just takes longes than your average american pilot. I now have alot of respect for all the instructors that I listened to when I was going through my flight training in the PHX area. I remember when my instructor and I would listen to them on the radio and chuckle....now I get a first hand of what they went through:D
 
Southeast practice area, Cessna 6802H is 753 miles to the west of Amarillo Texas airport practicing steep turns. Southeast."
 
N826AW said:
Southeast practice area, Cessna 6802H is 753 miles to the west of Amarillo Texas airport practicing steep turns. Southeast."
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:yup:

Compared to IWA its alot more relaxed, although it can get pretty hectic at times. Unlike Gateway we don't have radar and that too makes things interesting. Especially when tower starts telling your student on his first solo to make 360's and the student's English is somewhat lacking :insane:
 
N826AW said:
Southeast practice area, Cessna 6802H is 753 miles to the west of Amarillo Texas airport practicing steep turns. Southeast."
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Haha, or,

"Casa Grande traffic, Cessna 110VE is 20 Northwest of the Stanfield VOR, request top of stack..."

"Top of stack 8,500"

"Ahh, it's one of thooose days huh?"
 
I went to the ATP PHX location and loved it. The weather is nice, HOT. The way I liked it. If you do alot at night training there are alot of airports to practice approaches, with no traffic etc. I remember many times doing a GPS approach to 30L while some AmericaWest Airbuses were on the ILS 30C. That was always fun.
At the time the examiners were good; by no means easy but fair. I know that the instructors are all gone now but I know the current manager and he is good. I enjoyed it.
 
I went to ATP, but not at the PHX location. My quality of instruction was great. You must be motivated to get the most out of your time there. You need to show up ready to fly and have questions for your instructor if something is not clear.

I now teach at a flight school in the PHX valley and can attest that instrument training here will get you ready for high volume environment fast. You are on with PHX control for most of your flights and fighting for mic time when ever you can fit in your request.

I nice thing about being based at IWA is that you have one of the three ILS approaches in the valley to get you home after each flight.

Good luck!
 
IWA was a pretty good experience. A lot of the problems I saw came from either lack of instructor giving a rats arse or a lack of the student giving a rats arse. You definetely need to be motivated and always stay ahead of the game. Otherwise you fall behind and it is extremely difficult to get caught back up on their schedule. I thought that the examiners were tough, but I think that is the way they should be. Overall, I met alot of really great people, and made many good friends. Like all places, there are, and there will be, a few bad apples. When you find 'em, switch instructors. Oh yeah, you gotta love the heat in lovely AZ!

Stanfield top of stack was always interesting!
 
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