Aviator737
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Yeah, and the Citation is nice n' easy to land, too. Makes me actually think I can be a jet pilot.
ATP Jet Transition
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jayllamas
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Maybe they should just change the course name to jet familiarization or jet intro.....the word "transition" is very misleading thats why some guys dont even bother to log it....i have spoken to some people who has done interviews and regretted putting that time in. I've browsed thru a lot of employment resources and I have'nt seen a high altitude endorsement requirement. On the plus side though..it has helped with a lot of confidence building and the fun they experienced is priceless.
FlyingNole
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Whatever guys, by the time you're at an interview that is looking at your jet time (majors,etc), ATP will have been a distant memory. Just enjoy the damn thing and tell the guys that ask "It was years ago!"
Captain_Bob
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:yeahthat: LOL!
Hey there Jay,
You are right in that a High Alt. Endorsement isn't required prior to most 121 interviews since they will endorse you during your training. However, if you have the endorsement in your logbook then you better have a way to prove it.
For the life of me, I can't understand why someone would not want to log the time simply because they see it as an inconvenience at an interview... or that guys refuse to log it because they believe the "title" of the program is misleading. Whatever the title marketing gave it... it doesn't change the time and experience in the aircraft.
Even places like SkyMates advertise a Glass Cockpit "Transition" program... and a High Performance "Transition" program. It is a term used in aviation quite frequently to simply indicate an introduction or familiarization into new systems.
I completely agree with you on the confidence building and the experience as well... It really gives folks a boost to know that they can fly a "Jet"... after all... that's what most of them have been working so hard for through the course of gaining their ratings... It de-mystifies the whole "Jet" thing... and shows them that they can do it.
I can't tell you how many hours I spent on that pre-test going over the systems and walk around of the jet... I am proud of my time in that aircraft and what I accomplished in order to fly it and gain my endorsements in the process. It was an experience I'll never forget. How could I forget... it's right there in my logbook.
Bob
Hey there Jay,
You are right in that a High Alt. Endorsement isn't required prior to most 121 interviews since they will endorse you during your training. However, if you have the endorsement in your logbook then you better have a way to prove it.
For the life of me, I can't understand why someone would not want to log the time simply because they see it as an inconvenience at an interview... or that guys refuse to log it because they believe the "title" of the program is misleading. Whatever the title marketing gave it... it doesn't change the time and experience in the aircraft.
Even places like SkyMates advertise a Glass Cockpit "Transition" program... and a High Performance "Transition" program. It is a term used in aviation quite frequently to simply indicate an introduction or familiarization into new systems.
I completely agree with you on the confidence building and the experience as well... It really gives folks a boost to know that they can fly a "Jet"... after all... that's what most of them have been working so hard for through the course of gaining their ratings... It de-mystifies the whole "Jet" thing... and shows them that they can do it.
I can't tell you how many hours I spent on that pre-test going over the systems and walk around of the jet... I am proud of my time in that aircraft and what I accomplished in order to fly it and gain my endorsements in the process. It was an experience I'll never forget. How could I forget... it's right there in my logbook.
Bob
blee256
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I can definitely see why someone would not want to log it. But Bob has some very good points. I studied the notes from the citation ride as well as a couple other jets that i flew. During one of my airline interviews they asked.....
"so whats the largest plane you have in the logbook"
my response...
"a G-II, but it was only a half hour and it was just for fun, i had an opportunity to fly it from vny-ont, but that was it"
interviewer...."oh. okay"
and that was it. haha......but i could see it getting ugly. At my other 3 or 4 intervirews no one ever asked me about it.
"so whats the largest plane you have in the logbook"
my response...
"a G-II, but it was only a half hour and it was just for fun, i had an opportunity to fly it from vny-ont, but that was it"
interviewer...."oh. okay"
and that was it. haha......but i could see it getting ugly. At my other 3 or 4 intervirews no one ever asked me about it.
FlyingNole
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It isnt offered
Captain_Bob
Well-Known Member
I don't see it on their site anymore... I think the Type was around $7K when I was going through the ACPP program back in '03.
Bob
Bob
Airdale
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I logged the jet ride, and the instructor endorsed the entry as well as my HA/HP endorsements. I don't see what the big problem is. If I get asked about it during an airline interview, I'm going to be honest and tell them it was a introduction to jet aircraft flying and was focused on how flying the jet relates to flying the Seminole and some of the differences in how the aircraft are setup. I'll be totally honest in telling them I don't remember much about the systems because I didn't have to learn everything about the systems.
The best way to go into an interview is be yourself and be honest. Do you really think they expect you to know everything about the Citation from a 3 hr "fun" flight? If thats what they expect, I'll go work for some other airline because its ridiculous. Take it for what it is guys, a really sweet opportunity to fly a jet after all the hard work you put in to make it through ATP. Kind of like a reward and motivator for those that get to that point. After that, you'll only be a few months away from an RJ job thanks to ATP.
The best way to go into an interview is be yourself and be honest. Do you really think they expect you to know everything about the Citation from a 3 hr "fun" flight? If thats what they expect, I'll go work for some other airline because its ridiculous. Take it for what it is guys, a really sweet opportunity to fly a jet after all the hard work you put in to make it through ATP. Kind of like a reward and motivator for those that get to that point. After that, you'll only be a few months away from an RJ job thanks to ATP.
blee256
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NW004 said:
better yet, save your money on the videos. Just read the Turbine PIlots Flight manual that ATP gives as well as keep the quizzes that you have to do regarding the Citation systems and that should give you enough info about the Citation Flight to answer questions if it comes up in an interview.
XJ145 and bob, you both make great points. My feeling on the citation ride is that its more for fun than anything else. you do learn a bit and earn your HA and HP endorsement. But my honest opinion is, if I had the option to put $3,000 back in my pocket instead of doing the citation, I would have. And you'll find out I am not alone in this thinking.