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ATP Final Rule Signed
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My experience thus far is "meh, but better than traditional."
kistan1
Well-Known Member
There's an advisory circular that spells out the process that universities will have to follow. You can read more about it here:
http://www.faa.gov/regulations_poli...fm/go/document.information/documentID/1021129
juxtapilot
Snowflake
Guys I'm trying to figure out where in the new regs it says I'll be allowed to use sim time towards the ATP. In the old regs you could use up to 100 hours sim time towards the 1500. Do you guys know if this still applies in the new regs?
USMCmech
Well-Known Member
Yes,
Nothing has changed for the standard "unrestricted" ATP.
The new "restricted" ATP that can be earned by college grads and military pilots is where the new requirements come into place.
Slightly confused about the changes for the ATP written. I understand that the FAA is going to institute a new written that'll require some kind of specific training to be eligible for, but I'm not 100% on when that goes into effect. Is the new written going into effect Aug 1 of thus year, or is it not until August of 2014?
Crumbo
Well-Known Member
August 1, 2014
SilkyD
Well-Known Member
Does the 100 hour sim time only apply if it was obtained from Part 142 training providers or is it any sim (assume FTD trainer from Part 61 school) that represents an aircraft?
Cloud Surfer
All Roads lead to Trantor
So how long will it take the FAA to allow pilots to apply for restricted ATPs? One year or two years? Much more maybe?
chrisreedrules
Master Blaster
Okay so... I've read some of that 200+ page FAA publication on the new ATP stuff. And honestly there seems to be a lot of confused people running around saying a lot of different stuff about this thing. I have an USN Helo guy who is currently working on his Multi-Engine Fixed Wing ATP. He does not have the 50 hours of multi-engine time as spelled out in the new requirements for the "restricted ATP" but he already qualifies for an unrestricted ATP under the current Part 91 FARs. I was reading though that the new rulings will take the place of the current FARs as of July 31st 2013 (the end of the month) and that will include him needing 50 hours of multi-engine time. Can anyone clarify this for me? Just trying to help this student out. Thanks!
Inverted25
Well-Known Member
Yes he will need the 50 hours. That goes into effect August 1st 2013. The written rule goes into effect next August
USMCmech
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flyguy25
Well-Known Member
I flight instruct at a part 141 school. Now I didn’t actually attend this school for college or have an aviation major and I did all my training at a 61 school. Now all the students I train will qualify for the ATP with 500 less hours than me. It’s always nice to know I can teach the program, but I'm still not qualified for the reduced minimums.
I'm in the exact same boat Flyguy. The experience I gained, having graduated with a Bachelor's degree in aviation from an accredited University with a 61 program, is good enough to train good pilots in a 141 program but is valued differently when it comes to my personal competency with regards to flying for a regional...
Sounds like this ruling is creating a bit more of a mess than it's supposed to clear up. It will however further shrink a future bus driver pool that has slowly been declining since the mid 80's.
Chalk up another win for Bureaucracy
- - done with my soap box, sorry everybody. lol
middies10
Well-Known Member
So I discovered a new job posting this morning. Piedmont is looking for FO's and the job listing only requires 800TT. Everything is reduced by 200hrs.
http://www.aviation.und.edu/currentStudents/employment/detailonly.aspx?ID=319
So now I am wondering, are they hiring on the premise of getting the required time before getting onboard, or do you not need the 1000 or 1500hrs until next year?
http://www.aviation.und.edu/currentStudents/employment/detailonly.aspx?ID=319
So now I am wondering, are they hiring on the premise of getting the required time before getting onboard, or do you not need the 1000 or 1500hrs until next year?
Cazadores
Well-Known Member
I think ot is a matter of time before this is changed, or a class files suit claiming the rules were arbitrarily changed damaging the careers of those trained under pt. 61 when in good faith they trained under the knowledge their certificates were the same whether they were received 141 or 61.
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snOOp
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flyguy25
Well-Known Member
While I go agree that part 141 has excellent training, part 61 is still held to the same FAA standards when it comes to passing the check ride. Its not like the Commercial PTS says 141 schools must hold +-25 for steep turns while 61 schools must hold +-50 feet.
flyguy25
Well-Known Member
Replying to my own post now. I am pretty excited that I found out with the new rule I do only need 200 XC time rather than 500XC when I get to 1500TT with no aviation degree. Which for me I am at 1450TT and about 195XC.
JPilot9
Well-Known Member
The FAA is adopting the following alternative total flight hour requirements for
an R
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ATP certificate with airplane category multiengine class rating or an ATP certificate
obtained
concurrently with a
n airplane
type rating:
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750 hours for a military pilot who has graduated from a flight training program in
the Armed Forces;"
It seems like Guard/Reserve bums will be the biggest beneficiaries, but the law doesn't state that the 750 hours have to be military. So you could - in theory - go to UPT with 400 hours in a 172 and when you finish up at the schoolhouse have enough hours for the restricted ATP.
True?
an R
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ATP certificate with airplane category multiengine class rating or an ATP certificate
obtained
concurrently with a
n airplane
type rating:
•
750 hours for a military pilot who has graduated from a flight training program in
the Armed Forces;"
It seems like Guard/Reserve bums will be the biggest beneficiaries, but the law doesn't state that the 750 hours have to be military. So you could - in theory - go to UPT with 400 hours in a 172 and when you finish up at the schoolhouse have enough hours for the restricted ATP.
True?