ATP Final Rule Signed

jtrain609 said:
The only people expecting this to be a hard 1,500 hours were those that weren't paying attention. The FAA has said all along that this was their plan.
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Oh ok. Management teams were fooled then. They were hoping for relief, they're lucky they got it.
 
Calvin and Hobbs Meter said:
There is no change to pt. 135 except for a couple very small "nuances" that really don't affect 135 or 91 k anyways. After July 2014 all ATP applicants will be required to first complete an ATP "Certification Training Program" (ground and sim training) before they can take the written exam, as well as the new requirement that any applicant must have 50 hours of multi for the ATP multi-cert (kind of silly, but I have met people who had the ATP-multi with < 50 hours of multi time).
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If I read the rule right, the footnote said that the CTP was only required for a concurrent type-rating with an ATP ride. So that means I can still get my ATP the old fashioned way, right?!
Also, what about 135? I predict that most 135 Operators won't pony up for a CTP, but wouldn't you still be able to do an ATP on a PC for a non-type-required aircraft (I.e. Pa-31, BE-99), then get your ATP when you move on to something bigger?
Curious, because I'm trying to finish mine up before Aug 2, via Pt 61. Just trying to be sure that what I read is correct in that it is no difference to me as long as my written is still current.
 
So are the cross country hours for the R-ATP reduced to 200 for all? Or does that only apply to overpriced aviation university types?
 
:confused: The NPRM wasn't published for shiggles. Most knew what was coming. The XC minimums being further reduced was the only "surprise" for me.
 
I apologize if this has already been addressed in this thread; I'm pretty short on time right now.

I earned my commercial and instrument through a part 141 program, but have a 4-year aviation degree from Purdue University which conducts its training under part 61. The part 141 program is no way linked to the university. Where do I stand in regard to this new law?
 
FoodStampsPilot said:
I apologize if this has already been addressed in this thread; I'm pretty short on time right now.

I earned my commercial and instrument through a part 141 program, but have a 4-year aviation degree from Purdue University which conducts its training under part 61. The part 141 program is no way linked to the university. Where do I stand in regard to this new law?
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Under this situation, you would not qualify for reduced minimums.
 
Zidac said:
:confused: The NPRM wasn't published for shiggles. Most knew what was coming. The XC minimums being further reduced was the only "surprise" for me.
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Lets be realistic here... How do you expect EVERYONE with 1,000 hours to have 500 XC....? I understand some jobs, but not all commercial pilot jobs are going to afford someone the opportunity to log 1 hour of XC for ever 2 hours TT logged.
 
JustinS said:
Lets be realistic here... How do you expect EVERYONE with 1,000 hours to have 500 XC....? I understand some jobs, but not all commercial pilot jobs are going to afford someone the opportunity to log 1 hour of XC for ever 2 hours TT logged.
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Taking more pictures of the ground in more places is a good way to start.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Taking more pictures of the ground in more places is a good way to start.
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Yeah I know. We can run down a list of all the jobs out there, but as a whole you can't expect EVERYONE to acrue 500 XC in 1,000 hours. That was my point. It would definitely change the playing field if they had 500XC 1000TT requirement for college/141 grads.
 
JustinS said:
Yeah I know. We can run down a list of all the jobs out there, but as a whole you can't expect EVERYONE to acrue 500 XC in 1,000 hours. That was my point. It would definitely change the playing field if they had 500XC 1000TT requirement for college/141 grads.
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*puts feet up on desk*

I got mine! ;)
 
JustinS said:
Lets be realistic here... How do you expect EVERYONE with 1,000 hours to have 500 XC....? I understand some jobs, but not all commercial pilot jobs are going to afford someone the opportunity to log 1 hour of XC for ever 2 hours TT logged.
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I never did expect that, and thought all along that a 1000TT with 500XC requirement would not be feasible. The NPRM included a 375 XC requirement for the 141 aviation degree people, I believe. I felt that was more reasonable, but still high.

So, it turns out that it was reduced to 200 XC across the board for the R-ATP. Not sure I follow you.
 
Zidac said:
I never did expect that, and thought all along that a 1000TT with 500XC requirement would not be feasible. The NPRM included a 375 XC requirement for the people 141 aviation degree people, I believe. I felt that was more reasonable, but still high.

So, it turns out that it was reduced to 200 XC across the board for the R-ATP. Not sure I follow you.
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Other than aerobatics, "flight not in the vicinity of an airport" is one of the more valuable categories in my logbook.

GG FAA
 
Zidac said:
I never did expect that, and thought all along that a 1000TT with 500XC requirement would not be feasible. The NPRM included a 375 XC requirement for the 141 aviation degree people, I believe. I felt that was more reasonable, but still high.

So, it turns out that it was reduced to 200 XC across the board for the R-ATP. Not sure I follow you.
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You just stated that you were surprised that it was lowered to 200XC. I misinterpreted that to mean you were surprised it didn't remain 500XC even with the reduction to 1000TT for college/141 grads.
 
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