ATP CTP Course

n57flyguy said:
First indoc was fun even with all the stress because you're so dialed into all the new language, rules, company specifics, etc. But then it's done. Walking into the CTP post part 135 indoc/initial where you have seen literally the same videos, heard about the same accidents, and covered the same emphasis areas (don't buy a house in Buffalo with others, don't belly flop into the ocean with others), now have time in the aircraft at said company in the operational world - while potentially footing the bill? I think thats an honest gripe about the process. I suppose the LCD is in effect, in that everyone sucks, some suck less but cannot be accounted for, so they still suck.


-an RATP applicant from a prestigious FAA approved university, and largly expensive one, maybe -short course/exemption.
- Military exemption/short course
- prior part 135 exemption/short course
- prior part 91 jet/turbiprop exemption/short course
- prior part 121 exemption/short course

I suppose when life was good and regionals/employers were paying for it (some still are and looks like they will continue too), it was less of an issue to get hung up about minus the loss of efficiency and cost for the company. Exemptions and short courses would help that - exempt? When can you start class? Short course? That's XYZ sooner you can be in class. Part 61/91 light GA guys/gals probably would be served the best by the training as a matter of exposure.

Keep in mind this is just to be eligible to take the written exam. Ridiculous - why can't any applicant take the written whenever they want? Schools offering the CTP make a point to tell you that it does not prepare you for the written. But tell you to study before hand to take the written when you get the cert done, at their facilities, after 7-8 days of instructor war stories for 8 hours a day. When this first came out it was essentially just another expensive barrier to entry and loss of efficiency in a career field where those exist. Either way its Pay-to-play with incredibly low standards (pass a short written) and no evaluation.

I am all for the "training" - and I mean exposure of the ATP-CTP. It's needed in some formal concept, but I am also for making it worth while and not a rubber stamp-all waste of time and resources for nearly all involved.
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Don’t disagree with anything you said. And my experience would have been quite different too, if I was paying for it and sitting behind a computer at home, instead of a live instructor with 20 other wide-eyed, excited first time 121’ers.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Turboprops, and I can hear the pure-jet types whining, are a wonderful "finishing school" indeed.
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It was an excellent transition into flying jets. Flying the Brasilia especially; quick enough to wrap you up but forgiving enough to fix your mistakes either in time or eventually. Turboprops are a bit more work, but much more fun from a stick perspective.
 
mwflyer said:
Don’t disagree with anything you said. And my experience would have been quite different too, if I was paying for it and sitting behind a computer at home, instead of a live instructor with 20 other wide-eyed, excited first time 121’ers.
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Fair enough, I didn't mean to detract from that,and that entire post wasn't 'at you'. Taught live would be immensely better. I'm glad you and others enjoyed it AND learned something from that.

MikeD said:
Did mine in a Chieftain with an FAA guy, and in an AStar helo with a DE being overseen by an FAA guy.
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How did he over-shoulder the DPE?
 
Fixtur said:
I'm currently sitting in an online ATP CTP course. I have 38 more hours of this.

I'd like to take this opportunity to thank the captain of that Colgan air flight for increasing pitch after a stick shaker activation and thereby causing me and every other poor sap to have to spend $4000 to sit through this, even though many of us already hold turbojet types.

Fixtur

edit: here's actual footage of me -
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