I would like to know how people are logging their cross country time towards their ATP. The reg's say flying to a point more then 50nm for ATP. I am just concern about sitting in an interview and having them question my time if I didn't actually land at another airport.
ATP cross country time.
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FlyingHawaiian
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Well the regs for cross-country flight time applied to an ATP don't state you need to land at another airport, just least a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure.
MidlifeFlyer
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Sounds like you are asking a bookkeeping question. The idea is not only to note them in the remarks but to find and total them easily. If you think this is something you will need, do what people do to separate point-to-point cross countries from >50 NM ones - a separate column.
(Of course, electronic logbook make the whole thing easy)
(Of course, electronic logbook make the whole thing easy)
Nat E. Dred
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Everyone that has such time and doesn't meet the mins without it, I'd imagine. I did.
MidlifeFlyer
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Agree with Nat. If you need it, you use it.
Keep in mind that this rule was originally a well-deserved tip of the hat to military pilots who may go hundreds of miles on a mission without landing there. It's also useful for folks who do such things a pipeline patrol that involves returning to base rather than landing elsewhere. I have a few flights where I did a tour with friends or went to a destination I ended up not landing at for one reason or another (one was a gear problem) but, overall, unless we have "destination airport phobia" it probably less useful overall for the typical civilian pilot.
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Just make a note of it in the remarks column. "Flew A -> B -> A, did not land at B. More than 50NM from A."
Same applies to landings that are not at a designated airport. Bush & seaplane flying doesn't always land at an ICAO designated airport. Therefore a note in the remarks column "Departed Lake JetCareers, landed Lake Titicaca."
Same applies to landings that are not at a designated airport. Bush & seaplane flying doesn't always land at an ICAO designated airport. Therefore a note in the remarks column "Departed Lake JetCareers, landed Lake Titicaca."
Sorry I forgot to add that this is the new xc req for the restricted ATP
MidlifeFlyer
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61.160. If you have a paper FAR volume you won't find it unless your publisher sent you an update in the pasts month or so. Try here:
http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-id...gn=div6&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.1.2.7&idno=14
Nat E. Dred
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This.
It's widely called the "fighter/tanker rule", since those crews a lot of what is called "flagpole flying" (e.g., out to the training area and back) and not much true cross-country flying.
z987k
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Do some ferrying/patrol/survey flying and you could use the commercial definition and not have a problem by 1500 hours.
gotWXdagain
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Excel spreadsheets are nice, I have one that serves as my E-logbook. I use 3 columns for XC, "Airport to Airport", "Point over 50nm", "Airport over 50nm".
And then if I didn't land at a spot over 50nm but went over 50nm I put parenthesis around the waypoint in the route section and only log the time in "Point over 50nm" column.
And then if I didn't land at a spot over 50nm but went over 50nm I put parenthesis around the waypoint in the route section and only log the time in "Point over 50nm" column.
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