ATP checkride, failed, then passed same night. Career advice.

rockman2343@aol.com said:
Yes, it was one sim session, covering three new items, and then the checkride.
As far as the bust, "you have to be able to land it the first time". Those were the examiners words.
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This wasn't new-hire or upgrade training (I don't think). The company is trying to be proactive about getting all FO's an ATP before the August 2013 deadline.

@rockman2343@aol.com What were the three new items?

I wasn't there and I don't know the details, but the only difference between a SIC and PIC/ATP checkride is that it's a jeopardy event and you have to perform a single engine go-around.
 
I think the single engine missed, flaps up landing and something else.


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There must be more to the story; like BobDDuck said, a go-around itself will not lead to a bust. In fact, a single-engine go-around is a requirement for the ATP ride anyway.
 
There is more to the story, I'm pissed off that I was only given 1 hour of sim training.
Again not blaming anyone other than myself for the failure but the extra training could have made a difference.
 
N519AT said:
I think the single engine missed, flaps up landing and something else.


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ahh, I gotcha. I was thinking of my last place where the SE go-around was the only maneuver excluded from the SIC checkride. Yeah, one hour is kind of bs for learning three new maneuvers.
 
N519AT said:
I think the single engine missed, flaps up landing and something else.

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Damn, they make us do those on our SIC rides.
 
^ SE missed isnt hard... As I am sure you know, the Saab is a little tricky though. SIC should be held to the same standards as the PIC IMO. To the OP Did you atleast do them in your initial SIC training? Thats pretty crappy if they didnt do that.
 
Question for people at other airlines: Are your FOQ Checkrides (ATP rides) train to proficiency or just pink slip and you're done?
 
I would talk to the FAA:



Go-arounds will incur no penalty if successful. "Successful"
is defined as no surface contact except for the landing gear
on the runway
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Demonstrates knowledge of the stabilized approach
procedures and the decision criteria for go-around or
rejected landings.
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Follows the recommended airplane checklist items or

Hmmm..... Your DPE was a prick.
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So from reading that, as long as you didn't crash, you can do as many go arounds as you please.
 
dasleben said:
There must be more to the story; like BobDDuck said, a go-around itself will not lead to a bust. In fact, a single-engine go-around is a requirement for the ATP ride anyway.
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I remember at (BrandX) there were approaches where you were "supposed" to get in, and ones where you were not "supposed" to get in, and it was, er, frowned upon, I guess, is the appropriate term, to miss one where you were "supposed" to get in.

Which is crap, but that's the way it was.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
I remember at (BrandX) there were approaches where you were "supposed" to get in, and ones where you were not "supposed" to get in, and it was, er, frowned upon, I guess, is the appropriate term, to miss one where you were "supposed" to get in.

Which is crap, but that's the way it was.
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Same here. Bait you with better visibility past VDP.
 
z987k said:
Hm... that's called you got lucky, get this MFer on the ground! A 1900 isn't even that big. Just make sure everyone is buckled up.
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In the sim and real life. Very different haha. I guess the Saab doesn't like to chop and drop like the Beech though...
 
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