Atlas/Polar hiring

Who says if 20 apply from one place that you need to hire them all or that they have bad habits? Thats beyond incompetent management if they don't hire from a particular source because too many apply. It would be like mainline carriers saying we will only hire people off the street with no experience because there are too many applying from the regionals and internally and all have bad habits. Atlas management are insane if this is true.

There are a TON of expressjet people here already. So what you are saying makes no sense. The last thing you want in a dispatch group is a bunch of social clicks... and that is EXACTLY what happens when yo hire a bunch of people from one place.
 
There are a TON of expressjet people here already. So what you are saying makes no sense. The last thing you want in a dispatch group is a bunch of social clicks... and that is EXACTLY what happens when yo hire a bunch of people from one place.

You did not mention in your posts that the company has a bad experience with previous hires from Expressjet. Bad experience with previous hires is a valid reason to not want to hire from there. But the reason you stated was that too many were applying which made them look desperate for a job there. Its insane to not look at candidates simply because a lot apply from one place.
 
You did not mention in your posts that the company has a bad experience with previous hires from Expressjet. Bad experience with previous hires is a valid reason to not want to hire from there. But the reason you stated was that too many were applying which made them look desperate for a job there. Its insane to not look at candidates simply because a lot apply from one place.
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Management is pretty great, it's like a family environment. Pay is competitive especially with the low cost of living. CVG is great... moderate wx, scenic, and the beer is always cold.
Unless your on the Southern side. Heard management has completely blocked that merger
 
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I see your point completely QX. Just to back you up. I don't think it's insane for hiring and dispatch managers to think of the clique and habit factor. Actually, I think it's smart. And I have some experience with this in the same building where you work.

When I moved from Connecticut with Southern to CVG to help start things up, all of a sudden we had a wholesale change of dispatchers. Only 3 of us who were invited to tag along took it. Though ex-Comair had the biggest group, I think we had 5 or 6 prior airlines represented in all. All were great and the different backgrounds brought us in the old guard to think differently in a lot of ways. A great team of individuals.

The Comair group was pretty tightly knit and, by numbers, became the most influential cadre of dispatchers on a number of levels. Again - great people, but I'm glad we didn't have many more. It would have just become Comair International. In some ways it already was at higher levels up on the chain. But it was cliquish. It couldn't help but be. And there's nothing inherently wrong with that. And, like I said, it was good to have different ways of thinking to improve the operation overall when and where it could reasonably be accomplished.

But when a large group, who worked together for years, at a different airline, with different resources, with a different scope of operations, with different aircraft, with different desks, with different keyboards and mice, with different this that and the other thing - comes into a completely different sort of airline, there are some unique challenges and divisions that are inevitable. They sure exist with pilots during mergers and acquisitions. Wouldn’t it also be quite noticeable in an office environment?

I won’t expand with any specifics, but yes. QX is absolutely right. By hiring overwhelmingly from one outside airline Atlas management would be stacking the deck against themselves. If Atlas can’t adapt and grant the suggestions and wishes of a number of dispatchers who begin sentences with “You know, back at ExpressJet we…” then they risk disappointing a large portion of their employee base. And it becomes difficult, if not exhausting in some issues, to have to explain to them why you can’t make it that way.

After enough of that, do you think that the new group would simply be satisfied and content amongst themselves when discussing their workplace and the operation? Hard to see that happening. If Atlas-SOO becomes XJ North then look out. You'll have Southern guys adapting to Atlas ways with Atlas guys while XJ dispatchers adapt to a whole different ballgame. And if the XJ lot comes in and outnumbers the Atlas transplants and creeps up near the number of Southern, it's a manager's worst nightmare.

They're forming a team. I don't blame them one single iota if they're interested in not letting the rookies run the show. Not a damn bit. It's not in their interest.
 
YAY! Someone gets it! And you are spot on about SOO and Comair. It's pretty sad.
 
I see your point completely QX. Just to back you up. I don't think it's insane for hiring and dispatch managers to think of the clique and habit factor. Actually, I think it's smart. And I have some experience with this in the same building where you work.

When I moved from Connecticut with Southern to CVG to help start things up, all of a sudden we had a wholesale change of dispatchers. Only 3 of us who were invited to tag along took it. Though ex-Comair had the biggest group, I think we had 5 or 6 prior airlines represented in all. All were great and the different backgrounds brought us in the old guard to think differently in a lot of ways. A great team of individuals.

The Comair group was pretty tightly knit and, by numbers, became the most influential cadre of dispatchers on a number of levels. Again - great people, but I'm glad we didn't have many more. It would have just become Comair International. In some ways it already was at higher levels up on the chain. But it was cliquish. It couldn't help but be. And there's nothing inherently wrong with that. And, like I said, it was good to have different ways of thinking to improve the operation overall when and where it could reasonably be accomplished.

But when a large group, who worked together for years, at a different airline, with different resources, with a different scope of operations, with different aircraft, with different desks, with different keyboards and mice, with different this that and the other thing - comes into a completely different sort of airline, there are some unique challenges and divisions that are inevitable. They sure exist with pilots during mergers and acquisitions. Wouldn’t it also be quite noticeable in an office environment?

I won’t expand with any specifics, but yes. QX is absolutely right. By hiring overwhelmingly from one outside airline Atlas management would be stacking the deck against themselves. If Atlas can’t adapt and grant the suggestions and wishes of a number of dispatchers who begin sentences with “You know, back at ExpressJet we…” then they risk disappointing a large portion of their employee base. And it becomes difficult, if not exhausting in some issues, to have to explain to them why you can’t make it that way.

After enough of that, do you think that the new group would simply be satisfied and content amongst themselves when discussing their workplace and the operation? Hard to see that happening. If Atlas-SOO becomes XJ North then look out. You'll have Southern guys adapting to Atlas ways with Atlas guys while XJ dispatchers adapt to a whole different ballgame. And if the XJ lot comes in and outnumbers the Atlas transplants and creeps up near the number of Southern, it's a manager's worst nightmare.

They're forming a team. I don't blame them one single iota if they're interested in not letting the rookies run the show. Not a damn bit. It's not in their interest.

I think it is safe to say we all understand where he is coming from, however, there is a far better way to organize & present your viewpoint. Pretentiously and ignorantly pointing the finger saying, "Look at all these losers applying! They're so desparate! They'll just form cliques like in high school!" is pretty absurd. I think any decent hiring manager today understands that the concept of diversity extends further than the generic "race" or "ethnicity" conversation. Employing a truly diverse workforce includes people of different work experiences, education levels, etc. Similarly, Expressjet applicants should not be viewed as inferior, deperate or incapable, nor should managers solely hire Expressjet applicants.
 
The problem with your take is the assumption that you will have group thought from a single airline. While also assuming other new hires from other airlines would not think the same.
Are they good dispatchers? Are they jerks or bad people? Then it should not matter
 
Just a few facts to fuel the fire. The last 50% of the last 2 Southern classes were comprised of XJT hires and the Atlas class prior to that had 1 from XJT. The Polar/Atlas/Southern office has 6 ex-comair and 6 ex-XJT and a mix of dispatchers from everywhere else. Finally, at least 3 former or current XJT applicants interviewed for the current opening at Polar.
 
That tells me either XJT and Comair employees were the only ones to apply or they "seemed" to be the best qualified.
 
There you go... It just seems that QX is threatened by dispatchers hired from XJT or Comair..
Not sure why
 
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