ATC cancelled my IFR while airborn

ATC CAN NOT CANCEL AN IFR CLRN, only the pilot can cancel their clrn, what atc can do is put you in a hold untill you decide to go vfr or divert some where else.any controller that trys to cancle your IFR clrn is a MORON and there are plenty of MORONS in ATC who dont know the rules.if a MORON controller trys to cancel a IFR clrn you should report this to the facility ASAP.


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Mike H said:
Call whichever Center you were being handled by on the phone and speak to a supervisor or a manager.
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queeno said:
if a MORON controller trys to cancel a IFR clrn you should report this to the facility ASAP.
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I agree wholeheartedly with both. I have long said the same thing when pilots run into problems or questions with ATC facilities. CALL AND TALK TO A MANAGER. THAT'S PART OF THEIR JOB.
 
For what its worth, Salt Lake is not IFR friendly when arriving. Departure is another story (and much more friendly).

I have my aircraft based at KSLC and have been tormented when trying to arrive at the airport in MVFR or IFR conditions. Recently, I was flying inbound and asked if I could proceed VFR to the field. When I replied "no" they told me I would be expected to hold for 1-2 hours at FFU. I laughed aloud on the radio and told them I would come in under SVFR.

They're not good with arriving light GA under IFR.
 
meritflyer said:
For what its worth, Salt Lake is not IFR friendly when arriving. Departure is another story (and much more friendly).

I have my aircraft based at KSLC and have been tormented when trying to arrive at the airport in MVFR or IFR conditions. Recently, I was flying inbound and asked if I could proceed VFR to the field. When I replied "no" they told me I would be expected to hold for 1-2 hours at FFU. I laughed aloud on the radio and told them I would come in under SVFR.

They're not good with arriving light GA under IFR.
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My response would have been something like this: You do what you have to do, but I'll be needing a time stamp, your initials, and a phone number so when I declare a fuel emergency the FAA inspector and I will have something to talk about.:D
 
meritflyer said:
For what its worth, Salt Lake is not IFR friendly when arriving. Departure is another story (and much more friendly).

I have my aircraft based at KSLC and have been tormented when trying to arrive at the airport in MVFR or IFR conditions. Recently, I was flying inbound and asked if I could proceed VFR to the field. When I replied "no" they told me I would be expected to hold for 1-2 hours at FFU. I laughed aloud on the radio and told them I would come in under SVFR.

They're not good with arriving light GA under IFR.
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Interesting. Thanks, I haven't ever had trouble before, but I guess there's some comfort in knowing I'm not the only one getting this? haha
 
Assuming you were in controlled airspace they can't cancel your IFR. You need to call the facility chief.

There are a lot of rookies out there as a result of the '81 PATCO strike. It's going to get worse before it gets better.
 
fholbert said:
Assuming you were in controlled airspace they can't cancel your IFR. You need to call the facility chief.

There are a lot of rookies out there as a result of the '81 PATCO strike. It's going to get worse before it gets better.
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??? It's been almost 30 years, they're not rookies anymore!
 
inigo88 said:
Given the geographic location, I find it interesting that this was brought up not too long ago.
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I started looking around a little based on someone else's comment that they had similar experiences as I, and I'm starting to realize KSLC just seems to be unfriendly to anyone that's not an airliner. Which is quite unfortunate because they cover almost the entire area between some fairly large restricted airspaces to the east, to the 12,000' mountains to the west.
 
I fly to KSLC on a regular basis. I never had them cancel IFR on me, but they would strongly "encourage" me to proceed VFR as it would save on time. Once they was going to hold me for an hour so I went SVFR and barely found the airport.
 
The worst class B experience has been in at SLC. I've flown IFR and VFR through MSP. They are really nice there. When VFR they let my fly right next tp KMSP at 2000 ft. That was really cool. Got some great pictures. I've also flown IFR over PHX. They let our guys on IFR flight plans in the bravo but the people on the trip flying vfr had to remain clear.

Any way i was doing my long IFR flight from KBZN to KPHX and back. The three legs were from Flagstaff to Williams Gateway, to Sedona, and finaly to Provo UT. The ILS approach into Gatway was painless. They were a little confused when we wanted an ILS in complete vfr conditions. after we told them it was for training we were approved for the approach. we also got to fly right over the big airport (KPHX).

Sedona was easy as well. We did a GPS approach. We had breakfast in the little cafe and then we were off to Provo.

We had to do a VOR approach last and the controller would not let us do the full approach because it would of gotten us too close to the bravo. He would only vector us onto final. He then forgot to hand us off to Provo tower and when we called SLC approach they never responded. They were too busy talking to the big planes above us. The scariest part was the approach shot us straight into departing traffic and we saw about three diamonds shoot under us and our traffic alert kept dinging at us.

Not handing us off caused us to "bust" the class D and we had to call the tower on the ground. We called tower about 3 miles out.

Now that i think of it, I think i would of rather just had the controller just say "unable" for the approach because the guy was obviously too busy to deal with with us.

I have not been back to SLC since but if I do i'll probably stay clear of the Bravo.

-Matt
 
I think some MAY be making too big a deal of this. Atc can and will issue a reroute while you're enroute. If you don't have the fuel but need to stay ifr the only thing left is a diversion. Atc doesn't *have* to let anybody fly straight, their job is to separate traffic and if that means a reroute or hold for ifr guys then that's what they do.

Now it does suck they seem to have picked on the little guy here but it sounds like the pic voluntairly canceled the flight plan and chose to continue vfr even though the flight could have continued under ifr, just not on the previous route. Continuing on under mvfr vs a longer route under ifr is the pics choice.
 
E_Dawg said:
I think some MAY be making too big a deal of this. Atc can and will issue a reroute while you're enroute. If you don't have the fuel but need to stay ifr the only thing left is a diversion. Atc doesn't *have* to let anybody fly straight, their job is to separate traffic and if that means a reroute or hold for ifr guys then that's what they do.

Now it does suck they seem to have picked on the little guy here but it sounds like the pic voluntairly canceled the flight plan and chose to continue vfr even though the flight could have continued under ifr, just not on the previous route. Continuing on under mvfr vs a longer route under ifr is the pics choice.
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stand by for a change in your routing...don't like it? Cancellation received...good day!
 
E_Dawg said:
Atc doesn't *have* to let anybody fly straight, their job is to separate traffic and ...
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...and my job is to fly the plane. I don't accept clearances I can't legally and safely comply with. If I need to declare an emergency because someone sitting on the ground about to go on a coffee break in the TV room wants me to do something that would compromise safety, then I will.

-mini
 
minitour said:
...and my job is to fly the plane. I don't accept clearances I can't legally and safely comply with. If I need to declare an emergency because someone sitting on the ground about to go on a coffee break in the TV room wants me to do something that would compromise safety, then I will.

-mini
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you don't have to declare an emergency, just say unable, then being the PIC... you can divert, declare min fuel, and then declare an emergency if necessary.
Once you declare an emergency, it won't magically let them give you a clearance to your destination anyway...
 
minitour said:
...and my job is to fly the plane. I don't accept clearances I can't legally and safely comply with. If I need to declare an emergency because someone sitting on the ground about to go on a coffee break in the TV room wants me to do something that would compromise safety, then I will.

-mini
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You may be on to something! Next time they try to put another southwest jet in front of me, emergency it is! :D
 
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