ATC age max?

Okay thanks for clarifying. Fifty-six is usually too young to be retired, and too old to start a new career. They should move it out to 60 or maybe 65.

Before a mandatory retirement age of 56 was passed, very few controllers made it to retirement age. They couldn't keep medical clearance, usually because of stress-related problems. One controller I met who started before the age-56 rule told me that he had never attended a retirement party for a controller. No one he knew made it that far.
 
Before a mandatory retirement age of 56 was passed, very few controllers made it to retirement age. They couldn't keep medical clearance, usually because of stress-related problems. One controller I met who started before the age-56 rule told me that he had never attended a retirement party for a controller. No one he knew made it that far.

Although I didn't know any of them, there are at least 5 guys from my sector that were dead within 5 years of retiring. One guy retired on Friday, died on Sunday.
 
At least once a month someone posts about a retired guy that passed away on our union fb page.... too young to know most of them but just being 4 years in I've known 2. It's definitely thought provoking.
 
Just food for thought...regarding the stress...is it definitely a causation factor? Or correlation? Or both. Could it be that the profession attracts a stressed out person? Lots of professions can inflict stress. Police, surgeon, vet, taxi driver in Manhattan, hedge fund manager, stockbroker etc etc
 
Just food for thought...regarding the stress...is it definitely a causation factor? Or correlation? Or both. Could it be that the profession attracts a stressed out person? Lots of professions can inflict stress. Police, surgeon, vet, taxi driver in Manhattan, hedge fund manager, stockbroker etc etc

It's not just the stress of the actually job but the schedule, combined with sitting for 8 hours, and some of the things some do to alleviate the stress like drink and/or smoke. I mean we have 8 and 9 hour turn around between a morning shift and then back for the midshift. That plays havoc with your body.
 
What NovemberEcho just said. Actual working of aircraft is only one stress factor. The rotating shift is probably even more stressful, and plays pure havoc with your circadian rhythm.
 
What NovemberEcho just said. Actual working of aircraft is only one stress factor. The rotating shift is probably even more stressful, and plays pure havoc with your circadian rhythm.

The good old Iron Man Schedule:

2 3pm-11pm
2 7am-3pm
2 11pm-7am

(And the first 11pm shift starts the same day as your last 3pm shift ends)
 
Retired the day I turned 50 after 29 yrs on the boards.

Speaking of bored.....heading back to Iraq tomorrow. 14 months was enough the first time, but I am bored silly at the cabin after 6 months off.

Only so much Fireball can be drunk daily I've found out.
 
I can't seem to recover my account. I was Genot, haven't posted in forever. The stress lies in the backwards rotating schedule mostly. I worked a 4pm to midnight, 3pm to 11pm, 7am to 3pm, midnight to 8am, 9pm to 5am line one week that messed me up so bad after my last shift I drove to a place I hadn't lived in 3 years, parked, realized my mistake, swore off mids at all costs, drove an HOUR home stopping every 20 minutes for a 16 ounce coffee. I get home at 7am wife asked what took me so long. I zombie shuffled right past her, to the fridge, grabbed a beer, chugged it and passed out for the better part of the day briefly reflecting on the sound of 40 fans cooling scopes in a dark room, alone, for hours, and being completely sleep deprived.

Its not combat, its not the worst thing in the world, but holy smokes 3 days of 4 hours of sleep, ripping up your circadian rhythm? Weekly for 20, 30 years? I work AWS ie 10 hours days now specifically so I cannot legally be scheduled the rattler. I too have seen too many controllers die young or seem on deaths door. The best way I can explain the effect is sleep 4 hours a day for 2,3 days, at midnight pop a sleeping pill in your basement with no light but your computer screen saver (be sure to turn on a white noise machine) speak once sentence every 15 minutes, repeat for 8 hours then drive for the duration of your commute.
 
I can't seem to recover my account. I was Genot, haven't posted in forever. The stress lies in the backwards rotating schedule mostly. I worked a 4pm to midnight, 3pm to 11pm, 7am to 3pm, midnight to 8am, 9pm to 5am line one week that messed me up so bad after my last shift I drove to a place I hadn't lived in 3 years, parked, realized my mistake, swore off mids at all costs, drove an HOUR home stopping every 20 minutes for a 16 ounce coffee. I get home at 7am wife asked what took me so long. I zombie shuffled right past her, to the fridge, grabbed a beer, chugged it and passed out for the better part of the day briefly reflecting on the sound of 40 fans cooling scopes in a dark room, alone, for hours, and being completely sleep deprived.

Its not combat, its not the worst thing in the world, but holy smokes 3 days of 4 hours of sleep, ripping up your circadian rhythm? Weekly for 20, 30 years? I work AWS ie 10 hours days now specifically so I cannot legally be scheduled the rattler. I too have seen too many controllers die young or seem on deaths door. The best way I can explain the effect is sleep 4 hours a day for 2,3 days, at midnight pop a sleeping pill in your basement with no light but your computer screen saver (be sure to turn on a white noise machine) speak once sentence every 15 minutes, repeat for 8 hours then drive for the duration of your commute.

Meanwhile, when my friends have retired, by the time their retirement party comes around they look 10 years younger...like two weeks off the job.
 
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I hit my 20 at 50. I pray I'm set up to be able to leave not a minute later.
Right now I'm able to go at 48.....Seeing the older dudes at the facility approaching retirement and how clearly 25-30 years of working level 12 traffic has affected them makes me really want to try and get out before 50.

Of course with the proposed retirement cuts that just got leaked, all the older dudes are thinking about leaving now. What better way to solve the staffing crisis than to push everyone that's eligible to retire so there's nobody left to train the new hires!
 
What better way to solve the staffing crisis than to push everyone that's eligible to retire so there's nobody left to train the new hires!

We already don't have enough people to run the labs during the summer, and with 3 or 4 more people leaving/retiring this year i have no idea what they're going to do after this class. No effort has been taken to train the next class instructors since our current 2 will be retiring.
 
Okay thanks for clarifying. Fifty-six is usually too young to be retired, and too old to start a new career. They should move it out to 60 or maybe 65.
Fifty-six years old and back on the street at square zero has gotta be a rough transition for most people. I know plenty of guys that stayed in the military until they were forced to retire at 60 though.
They all seemed to do well after, as far as I know. A few started a new career, and some others just went on vacation. All of them were either E7+, CW4 or CW5, or O4+.
Is ATC retirement pretty good so you can live off of it? I know it's none of my business really, I'm just curious.

I retired at age 49 with 30 years ATC and just tuned 57. My goal is to make the FFA pay and pay and pay, life is very good when you can make six figures a year and my only responsibility is to take my morning dump !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I retired at age 49 with 30 years ATC and just tuned 57. My goal is to make the FFA pay and pay and pay, life is very good when you can make six figures a year and my only responsibility is to take my morning dump !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're my hero
 
She might be able to do the CTO/contract tower route, however I don't know if there are age restrictions on those as well. There are both Federal and non-federal contract towers.
 
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