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Hey gang,
If any former ATA victims could PM me, please. Yes I was a victim of tabexpress, but I am trying to do more research in what happened to ATA students when they had to deal with key bank. Key bank is trying to be our friends in this matter and in a meeting yesterday with a VP of Key, he kinda hinted at more loans
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So if you were a victim of ATA, please let me know what they did with you.

Thank you
 
No offense, but after what happened to ATA victims why the hell would you go to TAB? I bet we will be seeing Gulfstream people as "victms" in the near future. These people set up their own traps.
 
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why the hell would you go to TAB

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To the un/misinformed TAB and other places look like the only place you would want to get your training from. In their case, ignorance is bliss!!!!!!!!!!
 
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These people set up their own traps.


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Right on, Brian.

I too, am having trouble mustering up a lot of sympathy.
 
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Right on, Brian.

I too, am having trouble mustering up a lot of sympathy.

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Wow...you and Brian are nice. The guy is new to the site and you guys are riping him a new one.
I'll save the PFT discussion for another time hopefully everyone else will follow suit.
But to simply say that bankruptcy happens only at the large academies like ATA or TAB Express or that it can be anticipated is a fallacy.
My flight school in TUS Adventure Flight Training an FBO went belly up with $10k of my money...well my mothers money.
There were no signs they were in trouble. Only management was aware of the impening financial woes and they kept that info secret even from employees.
They were accepting new students and even recieved a new plane (a brand new spanking factory fresh 2003 Archer III) a couple weeks before they went bust.
One day I went to fly a lesson as had been talked about the day before with my instructor and upon arrival at the school the doors were chained and locked and a sign on the door.
Employees were told not to cash there checks...it was a mess. If not for the school going under I'd be commerical rated pilot right now.
My point is that yes PFT is wrong but even FBO's go under. The man got "hosed" and got took for a ton of money don't kick him while he is down.

-Matthew
 
I wasn't ripping anyone a new one.

An FBO is one thing. I'm sorry to hear about your situation, Matt. That really sucks.

BUT, a scum sucking, bottom feeding PFT gag is quite another thing, IMO. It would not have taken too much research at all to have found out long beforehand, that Tab was a bottom feeder and a very risky investment indeed. However, some people only see what they want to believe, so they get taken. Am I supposed to lose sleep over it?
 
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Am I supposed to lose sleep over it?

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No, but you could be a little cooler about the whole ordeal. This guy comes here for help, not for monday morning quarterbacking.

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I agree, *a little* sensitivity is not a bad thing even for those that didn't do all their research
 
I'm not sure I understand.

If someone came on here saying that they were going to Tab Express to be an "airline pilot," and proud of it, they would get blasted by the masses.

Instead, someone- who tried to buy a job, and contribute to this huge problem, and blah blah blah- comes along that got screwed by them, and we're supposed to hold hands and sing? Riiiight.

Um, sorry. My sensitivity is reserved for more important things. So I am saying what many others are thinking: TFB.

Sincerely,

ESF the prick
 
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Instead, someone- who tried to buy a job, and contribute to this huge problem, and blah blah blah- comes along that got screwed by them, and we're supposed to hold hands and sing? Riiiight

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Being misinformed is being entirely thrown out the window coming across like that. If you wanted to get a job in a certain industry, and that seemed like the only and/or the best way to go, then the average Joe would go for it. Knowing what you know now, and what alot of others know now, they are feeling different about it.
Now if you know about PFJ and what it is and still choose to attend a school like that, then that's a different story all together. But don't blast a dude because you know something they don't and you knew what pitfalls to dodge while he didn't.
 
Ok, then why are people not telling these students about PFT? If they are misimformed then someone must change that.

On the other hand, it isn't all about being misinformed. Many of these students know exactly what they are getting into when they sign these contracts. Their daddies have money and they go. Screw all the hard working CFis and banner towers. I'm no CFI or even a PPL pilot, yet I've learned better than to do PFT. Some people after knowing what they are doing, decide to do it anyways, and when they get screwed they act like a victim.

Sorry if I was harsh, but these people have to learn. Before JC I was thinking about GIA too. It was near my city and it looked like a quick way to the airlines.
 
I'm sure I'll get some heated email, but there is such a vast amount of information available on the internet and I can't name a single forum who is a proponent of PFJ/PFT operations whatsoever.

I'm tremendously upset that people got burned, yet I'm amazed that anyone who spent at least 30 minutes on the internet surfing aviation websites could think it was a swell deal.
 
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I'm sure I'll get some heated email, but there is such a vast amount of information available on the internet and I can't name a single forum who is a proponent of PFJ/PFT operations whatsoever.

I'm tremendously upset that people got burned, yet I'm amazed that anyone who spent at least 30 minutes on the internet surfing aviation websites could think it was a swell deal.

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I have spent several years on the net and never saw it until I came here. The problem is, I didn't ever run across forums like this until yours. And the only reason I found it is I Googled something (I can't remember what now) and one of the threads on this site came up in the search.

I would have gone and wouldn't have had a clue or even thought anything about it or that some considered it wrong.

So to say they all know what they are doing I don't believe is correct. There have to be thousands out there just like me

With all due respect, it's just hard for you to see because you are informed and been a part of this group for so long.
 
Very good point.

But I can't fathom signing on the dotted line for $80,000 in loans for services without dredging the internet for information.
 
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I'm tremendously upset that people got burned, yet I'm amazed that anyone who spent at least 30 minutes on the internet surfing aviation websites could think it was a swell deal.

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Back when I was in ERAU, come graduation time ( Summer 2003) some of my buds elected to do an "internship" with a company out of San Juan. I believe the name was Merlin Airways, or something similar.

Anyhow, the deal was you pay $10-12k and you get 250 hours of merlin time (a la gulfstream). Now, I thought "That's stupid, I'm just gonna work for my time" but a lot of guys did the program. I NEVER THOUGHT ONCE about paying for seat that someone else should occupy. My mind just wasn't in that 'mindset' then I guess.

However, even though I spent a LOT of time on the internet, I NEVER ONCE came across anything about PFT, PFJ, etc. etc. I didn't 'belong' to any forums either. figured programs like this were just a way to build time. One of my "sim" partners even went to Key Lime to build multi time.

I'm not defending this guy, or anyone, but the world doesn't evolve around internet forums.

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I'm tremendously upset that people got burned, yet I'm amazed that anyone who spent at least 30 minutes on the internet surfing aviation websites could think it was a swell deal.

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However, even though I spent a LOT of time on the internet, I NEVER ONCE came across anything about PFT, PFJ, etc. etc. I didn't 'belong' to any forums either. figured programs like this were just a way to build time. One of my "sim" partners even went to Key Lime to build multi time.

I'm not defending this guy, or anyone, but the world doesn't evolve around internet forums.

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Exactly the point I was making with Doug above.

The one I was looking at was Gulfstream. About $27K for 250 hours of turbine time and get hired as a first officer? To the uninitiated that sounds really great. I never considered I was paying to do a job I should be getting paid for. And they did pay $8 an hour. And that made the 250 hrs come out to an average of about $72 an hour for that turbine time, less that what I pay to rent a 172. What's not to like about that? I thought it was the greatest deal in the world!
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Trust me, there's plenty of guys there that never thought about it.
 
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But I can't fathom signing on the dotted line for $80,000 in loans for services without dredging the internet for information.


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Yeah, signing a deal like that is too risky to take in my book. Let alone dishing out that kinda money without researching first. Some have to learn their lesson the hard way
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One of the things that makes the world go round!!!
 
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Very good point.

But I can't fathom signing on the dotted line for $80,000 in loans for services without dredging the internet for information.

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That was a little rich for my blood too. That's why Gulfstream sounded so good.
 
Oh, I know!

But I betchya there's a few million dollars in defaulted loans from former ATA and Tab students that wished they did though, ya think?
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