Asiana Airline's High Rate of Go Arounds at SFO

Ziggyfuzz said:
No, I need to locate it, but the article came out just the other day about this since the accident...see my previous posts on this and the last page.
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There was what sounded like a garbled go around command as a Cessna climbing out of SQL called up SFO for the Bay Tour transition. Not sure if he was talking to Skywest landing on 28R or OZ214 tho.
 
Ziggyfuzz said:
No, I need to locate it, but the article came out just the other day about this since the accident...see my previous posts on this and the last page.
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The ATC tape of the entire sequence has been on the web since about an hour after the event. ATC doesn't say anything to that plane after clearing them to land other than trying to talk to them after they crashed.
 
Ziggyfuzz said:
Okay folks...here is a link to the article I have referred to in this thread...
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...ign-airlines-at-san-francisco-airport-388850/
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They must be using a non-ILS instrument approach to 28L with the ILS out of service, as everyday several international carriers land on 28L Granted, since the crash, I haven't seen an Asian airline use 28L, but Virgin Atlantic, British Airways, Swiss, SAS, Air New Zealand, ect. all have. After watching Virgin Atlantic float all the way down to the 1R/28L intersection the other day, along with several other carries landing rather long, it makes me question if they're really doing instrument approaches when they're missing the touchdown zone by such a distance.

Even with the Asian carriers doing strictly ILS approaches on 28R in VMC, Taiwanese carriers China Airlines and EVA still seem to catch my attention before I even know what carrier they are just by how wayward they fly the approach. I'm sure the FAA controllers upstairs notice this too, and I'm curious to know if they too will come under scrutiny.
 
ChasenSFO said:
They must be using a non-ILS instrument approach to 28L with the ILS out of service, as everyday several international carriers land on 28L Granted, since the crash, I haven't seen an Asian airline use 28L, but Virgin Atlantic, British Airways, Swiss, SAS, Air New Zealand, ect. all have. After watching Virgin Atlantic float all the way down to the 1R/28L intersection the other day, along with several other carries landing rather long, it makes me question if they're really doing instrument approaches when they're missing the touchdown zone by such a distance.

Even with the Asian carriers doing strictly ILS approaches on 28R in VMC, Taiwanese carriers China Airlines and EVA still seem to catch my attention before I even know what carrier they are just by how wayward they fly the approach. I'm sure the FAA controllers upstairs notice this too, and I'm curious to know if they too will come under scrutiny.
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Speedbird had to go 'round twice some days ago - but that was TRACON's fault for failing to space correctly. After the second time they apparently said, very British-like, "We really cannot do another one of those, chaps..."
 
ChasenSFO said:
My $.02 as someone who monitors tower and ground 10 hours a day and see's a lot of these go-arounds, most of them with Asiana usually start with me looking out the window and thinking "Wow that guy is high/low". And they usually end with dramatic turns and changes in pitch before the call.

ATC spacing go-arounds happen a few times a day here and can happen to any carrier, but I think theres more to this one. China Airlines has less but they're usually equally as dramatic, and Lufthansa's A340-600 from Munich goes around damn near as much as Asiana. I've read elsewhere on A.net that the A340 pilots just have a real hard time getting down in time with the time ATC allows them as they overfly the airport at 11,000 feet or so on downwind. Asiana and China Airlines do a pretty much left base entry or left 45 type approach from over the Pacific to the 28s.
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FTFY ;)
 
I worked as a check airman here in the states years ago for the asiana and korean air cadet training programs. Now do the same for most of the chinese cadets. (Faa dpe...not company man)
 
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