ASA's new minimums, and something interesting...

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Minimum Requirements:

500 hours total time*
50 hours multi-engine time

* Hours acquired in banner towing, traffic watch or aerial photography are not the best way to build flight time.


Minimums for Advanced Jet Training:

A multi-engine commercial instrument rating and completion of an advanced jet course is sufficient for an interview.

No minimum flight time requirement

Advanced Jet Training; includes:
Transport Category Systems Training
Level 5/6 Jet FTD or Category C/D Jet Full Motion Simulator
Crew Concept Training
FMS Training Preferred
Glass Cockpit Preferred
Crew Resource Management (CRM) Training
Accelerated Jet Ground School


Link: http://www.flyasa.com/careers/pilot.php
 
This has been discussed here before. They only want CFIs but don't have the balls to come out and say so. I don't know what sort of aerial photography flying THEY'VE done, but the type I'm doing now is like flying a localizer for 4 hours at a time, having to maintain course within .022 nm (that's 116 feet). Slightly more demanding than flight instructing.
 
Everybody thinks THEIR flight time is the best flight time in the world.

HR departments don't always agree.

Figure out where you fit in the mix and either get the job...or not. If you don't, and you don't have what they want then what would you expect? Is Skywest accepting safety pilot time? 'Cause a few years ago they didn't count it.
 
My take on the CFI'ing thing is this:

Sure other types of flying take a great deal of proficiency but one thing that localizer won't do is try and bully you into making a bad decision or try and challenge your authority. Dealing with the different personalities we run into as CFI's is something you won't get letting people know which strip club has the best lunch buffet on Tuesdays. The ability to deal with conflicts and different personalities is probably what they're looking for.


I'm finishing my application tonight!
 
:yeahthat:

A darn good post.



...and I am going to say it and everyone can kiss my hairy A$$ I am in a ticked off mood. (if you go the civilian way) CFI'ING IS the best way to build time along with flying freight once you get some more hours.
 
Seggy said:
:yeahthat:

A darn good post.



...and I am going to say it and everyone can kiss my hairy A$$ I am in a ticked off mood. (if you go the civilian way) CFI'ING IS the best way to build time along with flying freight once you get some more hours.
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Step back people.......the wookiee is looking for blood!

Oh yeah, I CFI'd, CFII'd, MEI'd my way into the regionals.......and I'm not kissing any hairy a$$. Even though the Seggster would probably like it. :p
 
esa17 said:
Dealing with the different personalities we run into as CFI's is something you won't get letting people know which strip club has the best lunch buffet on Tuesdays. The ability to deal with conflicts and different personalities is probably what they're looking for.
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A great point, but with 40 years of life experience behind me, I'm pretty sure I've got that base covered.

I'll grant that CFIs come out on top in the knowledge dept since they're constantly reinforcing it by teaching, but I'll put my stick-and-rudder skills up against a CFI with comparable hours any day.

And believe me, there's no shortage of opportunities to deal with different personalities here...ain't that right, Ryan? lol
 
The thing is at the airline/corporate level of flying it has very little to do with the stick and rudder skills of the flight.

It has to deal with the managing skills of the flight.
 
aloft said:
Slightly more demanding than flight instructing.
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How many hours of dual given do you have? I never realized how little I knew until I started preparing for the CFI. I'm not going to rant on the whole CFI debate, but I'll just say once again that it was the smartest decision I ever made. When I compare the difficulty of my experiences of studying, preparing all of those lesson plans, going to the FSDO for the checkride, teaching people with 0 hours in an airplane how to fly it, etc. to my 121 training.....it's not really even close.
 
Seggy said:
The thing is at the airline/corporate level of flying it has very little to do with the stick and rudder skills of the flight.

It has to deal with the managing skills of the flight.
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Precisely. At this level, it becomes a game of managing the airplane, and making good decisions.
 
I always like the whole "How I did it posts"....THe CFI guys always say there the best, but how many times do they say "oh, its been a while since Ive done this manuever" as an excuse as to why they F'ed if up. THe point is that its great to be a CFI, but the title alone does not make you a great pilot..its your stick and rudder skills....Whether you fly banners, traffic, pipeline, etc.. as lonjg as you have the skills, you should get the job...Im at a regional and I have seen many a CFI wash out because they couldnt cut the mustard :) My .02C worth is that the banner/traffic/pipeline guys dont have the luxury most of the time to say the weather is bad, lets wait till tomorow. They have to go up because thats their job, day in and day out, they dont have students canceling on them, and they are usually up flying on their own, single pilot every day....CFI'ing is great, but its not the only route and BTW, I know plenty of guys who flew banners and traffic and pipeline who got hired on at ASA and elsewhere...Though they did take the pay cut to go to the regionals...:)
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I Did not cfi, i was a traffic/banner/pipeline guy and got hired on at the first regional I applied with(Not saying much though with the state of hiring) and I know my spelling is horrible:):)
 
And the traffic/banner/pipeline guys always think they're the best. :) I kid I kid. :)

My point about airline flying is that stick and rudder skills are only a small part of what makes you a good pilot. I don't care if the pilot I'm flying with is a former Blue Angel...if I can't get along with the guy or he constantly makes bad decisions I'm not going to consider him a good pilot. I just think that the CFI environment forces interaction with different personalities a little more than other means of building time and experience. I am in no way saying that one is any better than the other. Just saying they are different.
 
I think it's amusing how a lot of people are willing to bash something without ever having done it.

Bottom line--if you haven't done it, you're probably not in the best position to comment on the quality of said flight time.

I've flown skydivers, and I've CFI'd a lot. Comparing those two, I'll say CFI'ing is better experience, hands down. Any comparisons beyond that would be speculating based on secondhand knowledge.


One of the dumbest debates I've seen recently was with two CFIs, both of which haven't flown anything but Cessnas, debating if military fighter pilots or cargo pilots had better qualifications for the airlines. I was like..."Huh??? Neither of you guys have any military experience, or airline experience. You don't have a clue what you're talking about."
 
But wait...what if somebody is an instructor AND tows banners or does traffic watch? Does ASA go through a logbook and just deduct that time spent doing banner tows? Or, what if some guy did banner towing, but he also did the "RJ" course at his favorite flight academy? Then what? :sarcasm:
 
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