ASA Furloughs Again
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Screaming_Emu
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Crap, sorry to hear that guys! Hope to see you all back soon. I guess this is what we deserve for paying our crews semi decently, eh?
gtpilot
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Best of luck and hopefully this round is as small as possible.
What's the limit that they can furlough (I recall something like that at ASA in regards to layoffs).
I think someone said 56, so a total of 136 weren't protected by the contract.
v1valarob
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Yes, thats exactly it. It certainly wasnt the merger between 2 of the 5 biggest airlines in the United States. And it certainly wasnt the unprofitable 50 seat Rjs.
kellwolf
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And, sadly, the effect is already started over here. We now have a lot of guys willing to work for peanuts again with the "Look what happened to ExpressJet and Comair" battle cry. So much for 99%. What they fail to realize is even if we volunteered to work for free (something I'm only willing to do for the zoo right now), Pinnacle would still look overstaffed on paper and furlough if the wanted to.
WalterSobchak
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It definitely was because your company gave up 20 planes for 10. That has nothing to do with it.....
Where are those people going to go...????
Baronman
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Kellwolf...Unfortunately the facts show just that. PNCL, COLGAN haven't furloughed and pay pretty poorly, nobody really looks to those companies as having enviable contracts but they've had fast upgrades and job security. So...the lesson learned is if you get a good contract you'll feel the pinch later through slower upgrades and furloughs.
Baronman
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You know planning at ASA most likely is looking down the road at those 20 planes going away. Perhaps there wasn't the need to have those pilots now, maybe they could have been kept on in anticipation for future flying next year. But throw in the fact that overall ASA will be losing airframes and the crystal ball becomes clearer for planning...They can see block hours will only to continue to go down further with the reduction of airframes.
kellwolf
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It definitely was because your company gave up 20 planes for 10. That has nothing to do with it.....
Ya know, this had me going back and looking at our agreement with Northwest (survives intact since Delta did NOT acquire NWA in a bankruptcy. They have to honor all contracts in place.) to see if they could do the 2:1 swap with us. A lot of guys have been dooming and glooming about that. Here's what I got:
Did ASA have an agreement like that in their agreement with Delta? Now, I know that management could CERTAINLY amend the agreement to make it 2:1, which would just be tossing employees under the bus IMO, based on THIS part of the agreement:
The only clauses that allow for reduction are if NWA was purchased or merged in bankruptcy (wasn't, so that clause no longer applies) or if we fly more than 20 aircraft for a different carrier. At that point, we could lose 20 aircraft on a 2:1 basis (which is where a lot of guys are getting the 70+ seat ratio, I'd bet) and only 5 per 12 months.
What's to stop management from re-negotiating the whole shebang other than shareholders and board members? Nothing, and that's what worries me.....
Screaming_Emu
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That's part of it. But its not secret that DL is after cheap labor. One only needs to walk the terminals in Atlanta and see what passes as "customer service". Or at the fact that ASA has lost the bid for each and every ground service contract that has been put up for bid (most of the stations have absolutely stellar records) because they've been underbid.
surreal1221
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Bummer, but they'll live - just like the rest of us. Good luck finding work.
SoCalAprch
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Didn't Delta just try unsuccessfully to get rid of one of the cheapest regionals out there? Good luck to all those affected...
What does this bring the number up to?
kellwolf
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I think Delta's plan is to bring all the CSA areas under mainline or Delta Global. 9E has been losing stations left and right, too. I think one of them actually won station of the year 2 of the last 5 years. Now it's "Thanks for all that you do, you're out of a job." I'd LIKE to say it's so they can control the service for the passengers in order to make customer service more uniform. I'm too jaded to think that's the case, though.
surreal1221
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Nothing about being jaded Steve. It's a myth.
Customer service will always lack compared to previous decades levels due to one primary factor. Pay. Secondary factor is the lack of formal customer service training.
But, you know.
Customer service will always lack compared to previous decades levels due to one primary factor. Pay. Secondary factor is the lack of formal customer service training.
But, you know.
granlistillo
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Sorry dude... Hope it isn't long.
kellwolf
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I'd put the training as a primary cause and the pay second. All those smiling faces and awesome service at Disney? Yeah, not paid so well. Back in 1999, I was making a whopping $6.30/hr on THIRD year pay as a ride operator. I'm sure it's gone up, but I doubt it's by much. They just know how to train people. Crazy me even OFFERED to teach Disney style customer service classes here at Pinnacle. I got a "It would cost too much" answer from management.
I worked for three different theme parks in Orlando, and every one of them had multi-day long sessions on how to treat guests and make them feel welcome. I don't think any airlines even have a 4 hour seminar on that. SWA or jetBlue MIGHT, but I know ExpressJet didn't, and if Pinnacle does, it sure doesn't show.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Good thing the pay rates have already been TA'd.