As stable as an F-18......

beasly

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Apologies in advance for being a bit rambling, but I think you will enjoy this story.

A fellow engineer and I where chatting in the office yesterday (he is the guy with the "paper airlplane a day" calendar) and the subject of his failure to get into the Naval Academy came up (seems there are some serious hoops to get in there).

Anyway, as a youngster, he went to the equivalent of a "career day" at the academy and he went to the Aeronautical Engineering (?) department for a seminar where a professor gave a demonstration...

To convey this, you need to picture a camshaft and piston rod where you are holding the camshaft by the end and your goal is to keep a piston at the 12:00 Z (GMT) using twisting motions and lateral motions. Another analogy would be to balance a broom on your nose with the bristles in the air and the end of the broomstick on your nose. I.E. an experiment in dynamic-stability. (right rudder, riiiigght ruddder, Right Rudder RIGHT RUDDER!, my controls--er, sorry,...its ingrained.)

Anyway, while not a camshaft/piston or a broom, the apparatus was held in the hand and the students (my office mate among them) where challenged to keep the "piston" in the air for as long as possible--the average was maybe 8 seconds.

The instructor then intoned, "and that is about as stable as an F-18".

Here is where it gets good.....


The instructor now takes the "end of the camshaft" and replaces the human hand with a computer driven machine....think of taking the camshaft and mounting one end in the engine block.....

The computer driven machine keeps the darn thing stable....frozen at 12:00 (z)

and then it gets better.
....
He hits it with a hammer and the darn thing does not dislodge. (be aware, I am not aware of the forces involved--but my office mate was duly impressed).

So, here we have a naturally dynamically unstable thing, made stable via computers--like an F-18.

I thought it was cool. I hope you do to.

Cordially,

b.
 
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Controls was one of those courses that I never fully "got." An now, the biggest thing thing I remember from that class is that quick-reference card for common Laplace transforms will save your butt. :)
 
Agreed...controls was painful. Not to mention that they don't really cover anything you could actually use in undergrad controls
 
Agreed...controls was painful. Not to mention that they don't really cover anything you could actually use in undergrad controls


Why was it so tough? (I never took it)

If you are at the level where you are keeping a Laplace transformation cheat sheet in your pocket I am curious why you guys found it so tough.

Cordially,

b.
 
Why was it so tough? (I never took it)

If you are at the level where you are keeping a Laplace transformation cheat sheet in your pocket I am curious why you guys found it so tough.

Cordially,

b.

The math wasn't necessarily that hard, but the course was very challenging conceptually. And you aren't really using a "cheat sheet" for anything....that was more of a diff eq's thing if I recall correctly (sorry it has been a few years). Modeling systems mathematically can become extremely complicated depending on the level of accuracy needed. Even very simple systems can get really down in the weeds, and well outside of the scope of math that you can do by hand (really anything more than a simple first or second order problem). Basically, you need a computer to run anything that you would encounter in real life. With that comes the challenge of "garbage in, garbage out".
 
I think that'd be a crankshaft, yes? Crank, connecting rod, piston, all attached.

Camshaft, timing chain connected, pushing on valve lifters, pushrods, valves.... :)

You sure he didn't swap the loose con rod/piston for a welded one, hooked up to his magic "computer" box voodoo then whack that with a hammer to sell non-existant software to the government?

(I kid, I kid. That is some really cool stuff.)

To convey this, you need to picture a camshaft and piston rod where you are holding the camshaft by the end and your goal is to keep a piston at

b.
 
I think that'd be a crankshaft, yes? Crank, connecting rod, piston, all attached.

Camshaft, timing chain connected, pushing on valve lifters, pushrods, valves.... :)

You sure he didn't swap the loose con rod/piston for a welded one, hooked up to his magic "computer" box voodoo then whack that with a hammer to sell non-existant software to the government?

(I kid, I kid. That is some really cool stuff.)



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Thx!


That's me, all ideas an no expression!


I appreciate your patience. (and your jibes--keep em coming!)



Cordially,

b
 
Talked to a Harrier pilot once (well actually talked to him a bunch he was my CO, but I digress) who told me hovering a Harrier was like balancing a piece of paper on a pencil point.
 
All my friends who fly Harriers say that it uses about 60% of your brain just to fly, let alone operate weapons systems and develop SA of your environment. Perhaps one of the last "pilot's jets" around
 
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