Arming pilots: Why stun guns just won't do the trick...

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LOL, We can go tit for tat as to why me and other people are against it and why you and others are for it. All I have to say, is that in all reality this whole arming pilots thing is coming off like peaches and cream (that's how the government sells it to you). Past history has proven that if it sounds too good to be true (especially a federal process), ya'll know the rest.
You also say that polls show that americans will still fly and a pilot would probably be commended. That is funny in itself, I haven't laughed so hard since Doug's earlier joke. Please, if a little ol' police chase causes an accident and hurts an innocent bystander while they are chasing a felon or whatever, the public ain't so happy about it and the public wants new procedures, blah, blah, blah.
Polls don't show anything to me. Depending on the time the poll is taken you can get pretty much what you want.
People always want some type of action to be enforced, then they are all gung ho about it, until they get inconvenienced by the same thing they were gung ho about.

Like the song says:
"During 9/11 people got patriotic, on 9/12 its like come on blaze the chronic(weed)" LOL
 
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You also say that polls show that americans will still fly and a pilot would probably be commended. That is funny in itself, I haven't laughed so hard since Doug's earlier joke.

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Why? Facts support me. 9/11 didn't hurt loads as much as the news wants you to believe. People still flew.

In fact, in the days/weeks/months following the ValuJet crash, ValuJet was still flying out packed airplanes even though it was proven they had a questionable safety record. In fact, they had really good load factors up until the time the FAA withdrew their operating certificate. I can remember footage of lines of stranded passengers out the door in Boston, Miami, and Atlanta when the FAA revoked ValuJet's operating certificate.

If the world's biggest terrorist attack and an airline with a questionable maintenance practices didn't deter people from flying, how are you so sure that a pilot mistakenly shooting a passenger in the course of neutralizing a threat will deter people?
 
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You also say that polls show that americans will still fly and a pilot would probably be commended. That is funny in itself, I haven't laughed so hard since Doug's earlier joke.

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Why? Facts support me. 9/11 didn't hurt loads as much as the news wants you to believe. People still flew.

In fact, in the days/weeks/months following the ValuJet crash, ValuJet was still flying out packed airplanes even though it was proven they had a questionable safety record. In fact, they had really good load factors up until the time the FAA withdrew their operating certificate. I can remember footage of lines of stranded passengers out the door in Boston, Miami, and Atlanta when the FAA revoked ValuJet's operating certificate.

If the world's biggest terrorist attack and an airline with a questionable maintenance practices didn't deter people from flying, how are you so sure that a pilot mistakenly shooting a passenger in the course of neutralizing a threat will deter people?

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I think most Americans will still fly simply because they have to.

The uncertainty behind the loss of TWA 800 didn't deter the public. 9/11 didn't shut down airlines following the NAS being reopened.

People will still fly, regardless.
 
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OK, just remember you guys complain about the industry now. People still flew after 9/11, so many still flew that companies are still suffering because of the rush of passengers.
Pilots really weren't furloughed, they got promoted to secret, advanced, non-piloting positions in the airline industry. LOL
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OK, just remember you guys complain about the industry now. People still flew after 9/11, so many still flew that companies are still suffering because of the rush of passengers.
Pilots really weren't furloughed, they got promoted to secret, advanced, non-piloting positions in the airline industry. LOL
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Sure pilots were furloughed, but my point was that people still had to fly, and the none of the airlines have gone under...yeah, due to not having to pay furloughed pilots. Yes, I know, some are teetering on the brink of extinction even now.
 
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OK, just remember you guys complain about the industry now. People still flew after 9/11, so many still flew that companies are still suffering because of the rush of passengers.
Pilots really weren't furloughed, they got promoted to secret, advanced, non-piloting positions in the airline industry. LOL
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That's the biggest lie out there. 9/11 didn't really have anything to do with pilot furloughs. 9/11 didn't hurt the airlines as much you would believe. Most of it was caused by poor management and employee relations.

A lot of the airlines were teetering on the brink before 9/11. The terrorist attacks just gave the airlines a really good excuse to start furloughing people.

Yes, many are "still suffering from the rush of passengers." Last month was on par with December of 2000 in terms of traffic and yet the airlines are still losing money. Why? I could give a long winded answer involving complex mathematics, load factors, CASM, ASM, and all that jazz but I don't want to and I don't have time. Just believe me when I say that only JetBlue, SWA, and Song (not Delta) are making money.
 
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LOL. Tons of businesses weren't doing well pre 9/11. Look at the stock market. 9/11 just pushed the airline industry over the edge.
Forget complicating things so much with all these mathematical figures, etc. when it's obvious that 9/11 did put a dent in the airline industry. If it didn't we wouldn't be talking about this subject, the airlines wouldn't have been asking for emergency federal funding, sending planes to the graveyard, etc. LOL
That's right blame it all on poor management because in all the years noone can get it right.
 
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Midway furloughed the month before 9-11. Delta stopped hiring in May. It was announced in my interview.

9-11 was not as damaging as the airlines make it out to be. They may have reduced flights but they took advantage of the catastrophe to chop unprofitable routes.

Loads seem to be just as high as pre 9-11.
 
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Forget complicating things so much with all these mathematical figures, etc. when it's obvious that 9/11 did put a dent in the airline industry. If it didn't we wouldn't be talking about this subject, the airlines wouldn't have been asking for emergency federal funding, sending planes to the graveyard, etc. LOL

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9/11 did not put a dent in the industry... self-imposed problems did. Do you not remember the Summer of Hell in 2000 when UAL drove away most of their business passengers? Or how about when management caved to the pilots demands and gave them pay increases the company couldn't afford? That hurt UAL more than 9/11 ever did.

All 9/11 did was give the airlines a very good excuse for their poor management practices in the years prior. The terrorists gave them the opportunity to go hat-in-hand to the government and ask for subsidies in the form of "Emergency Federal Funding" to cover up their mistakes.

Sending planes to graveyard again stems from poor management practices. Airlines had to downsize even though traffic hadn't really dropped off because they were losing money. If you know anything about airline economics, you know you can fill up an airline but still lose money on it. In which case, you downsize to a smaller aircraft and either not lose as much or eek out a small profit and leave people at the gate.
 
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Believe or say what you want, 9/11 was more than a scapegoat.
Back to the original subject, people did stop flying as a direct result of 9/11. Those that kept flying did so because of necessity, like MikeD said. Yes airlines downsized, for whatever reason LOL, but if there are just as many passengers as before, how come the masses aren't complaining of not being able to book a flight.
 
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