Ari ben Aviator Flight School

Unless I screw up the I or II rides with Bill Corcoran this week I'll be back in Texas by next Monday:beer:

As far as Brian go's, I do my part to get on his nerves on a regular basis:D I agree he needs to get out of here, but its his choice in the end.
 
BillErvin said:
Unless I screw up the I or II rides with Bill Corcoran this week I'll be back in Texas by next Monday:beer:

As far as Brian go's, I do my part to get on his nerves on a regular basis:D I agree he needs to get out of here, but its his choice in the end.
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Corcoran is still kicking it...wow! I hope I still have that much drive when I'm his age.

Have you talked to him about his old cars or playing in bands? He loves to talk about that stuff.

Tell Brian that "the racist liberal" says hi. He'll know what I mean, he gave me the moniker.
 
One of the things Bill and I have in common (other than first names) is rebuilding cars, so we do talk about it quite a bit. I found the part number for a water pump for his 57 International harvester Pickup that his best parts guys couldn't find..... bonus points:D
 
greaper007 said:
Corcoran is still kicking it...wow! I hope I still have that much drive when I'm his age.

Have you talked to him about his old cars or playing in bands? He loves to talk about that stuff.

Tell Brian that "the racist liberal" says hi. He'll know what I mean, he gave me the moniker.
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No need to pass the word. I'm sure Brian Bell is reading all of this as we speak...

As for Corcoran, I enjoyed every checkride I took with him. Great guy.
 
Hell yeah he hates it when we talk about him! He could be a Saab Capt if he came over to CJC when he had a chance. He's had plenty of chances. I can't believe Corcoran is still going! I only had my CFII with him, everything else was with McColgan and Max something....
 
Aviator is a cool school. It's also very affordable. But you have to be self motivated that's the problem I had. I left with my multi instrument because I don't want to have safety pilot time in I wanted to return back home. Having a good CFI that wants to give you ground is also hard to find in this school. I would recommend Aviator only if...

1. Your self-motivated.

2. You Stick to a good CFI who is motivated and wants to give ground.

3. You Avoid the partys and drinking.(or keep it to only weekends) :beer:
Beer Pong is included in the Professional Pilot Program :D
 
Finding an instructor that wants to give ground is hard to find because....the instructor isn't getting paid for it! This was my biggest problem as an instructor. I would have been happy to give ground if it was part of my compensation, but it wasn't. Considering that it's hard to eat on instructor pay let alone pay rent, most of the instructors are maximizing the amount of time they spend getting paid.

Anyone that goes to the Aviator has to realize this and make sure they stay in the books. I think any instructor will help you with something you don't understand. They're just not going to go through things step by step. It's the same way at the Airlines so get used to it there. I spent every waking moment studying for my Captain upgrade and only got a few hours worth of ground instruction.
 
I did in fact pay for some of my ground school and that was a good decision. Back in the old days there was a real shortage of CFI's able to do the initial CFI. I offered to pay my instructor for his time which many at the time said was insane as it was "free," if you could get it. Paying just a few hundred $ must have saved me thousands in living expenses and got me out of the Aviator faster. Although I did have to go the hard yards and put in the hours myself I always had the guidance available to keep my studying focused. I know it's hard to pay extra but some times it saves in the long run.

The initial CFI was always a tough one that nearly everyone busted. Cindy, is a very nice lady but like all of the other initial CFI examiners she was under FAA pressure to bust you. A decent examiner for other stuff though; train them by the PTS and they will probably pass with her. I always liked Max and I guess have kind of modelled myself (a bit) on his style out in the real world; I do not own a yellow Mercedes though. Is he okay? He had a poor run of health and have not heard of him since? I'm surprised Corcoran is still alive let alone examining, he must be in his 80's. Cool old cars but I'm not sure about the examining style.
 
Florida_Flyer said:
I did in fact pay for some of my ground school and that was a good decision. Back in the old days there was a real shortage of CFI's able to do the initial CFI. I offered to pay my instructor for his time which many at the time said was insane as it was "free," if you could get it. Paying just a few hundred $ must have saved me thousands in living expenses and got me out of the Aviator faster. Although I did have to go the hard yards and put in the hours myself I always had the guidance available to keep my studying focused. I know it's hard to pay extra but some times it saves in the long run.

The initial CFI was always a tough one that nearly everyone busted. Cindy, is a very nice lady but like all of the other initial CFI examiners she was under FAA pressure to bust you. A decent examiner for other stuff though; train them by the PTS and they will probably pass with her. I always liked Max and I guess have kind of modelled myself (a bit) on his style out in the real world; I do not own a yellow Mercedes though. Is he okay? He had a poor run of health and have not heard of him since? I'm surprised Corcoran is still alive let alone examining, he must be in his 80's. Cool old cars but I'm not sure about the examining style.
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Ha, I finally know who you are! How's the ATL?
 
BillErvin:

Got a question.

Ariben states that they will hire a CFI with 350hrs TT. I thought that once you finished the Pro Pilot Program (PPP) and you applied for and was offered a CFI position that the required 350hrs was waived. Is that correct? Or would I have to purchase more multi time after completing the PPP to meet the 350hr requirement?





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atpwannabe said:
BillErvin:

Got a question.

Ariben states that they will hire a CFI with 350hrs TT. I thought that once you finished the Pro Pilot Program (PPP) and you applied for and was offered a CFI position that the required 350hrs was waived. Is that correct? Or would I have to purchase more multi time after completing the PPP to meet the 350hr requirement?
atp
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Actually, they will hire you when you pass your MEI, CFI & CFII if you're a pro course student, and pass the interview.

I think your talking about the college program, you'll do two semesters as a paid intern CFI, which is suppose to get you up to 350 hours, then get a chance to work as a CFI after you graduate..........

Unless of course, you're a complete dweeb:D
 
BillErvin said:
Actually, they will hire you when you pass your MEI, CFI & CFII if you're a pro course student, and pass the interview.

I think your talking about the college program, you'll do two semesters as a paid intern CFI, which is suppose to get you up to 350 hours, then get a chance to work as a CFI after you graduate..........

Unless of course, you're a complete dweeb:D
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Just on this topic, would you care to expand on the life of a newly appointed CFI at Aviator? You've mentioned that pay isn't all that fantastic, to what level? Will you need to have a second source of income to survive bad? or enough to just get by? Is it relatively easy to find cheap accommodation through the school or in the local area?

I've been saving very hard for a long time so I can pay for my ratings without accruing debt in the process. The main reason I ask these questions I guess is I'd like to know if I took the aviator route, will I need to take graduate CFI pay and conditions into consideration now and save accordingly.

Thank you in advance.
 
Sachi said:
Just on this topic, would you care to expand on the life of a newly appointed CFI at Aviator? You've mentioned that pay isn't all that fantastic, to what level? Will you need to have a second source of income to survive bad? or enough to just get by? Is it relatively easy to find cheap accommodation through the school or in the local area?

I've been saving very hard for a long time so I can pay for my ratings without accruing debt in the process. The main reason I ask these questions I guess is I'd like to know if I took the aviator route, will I need to take graduate CFI pay and conditions into consideration now and save accordingly.

Thank you in advance.
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I can't expand on being a CFI at Aviator because I didn't go to work for them, I came home and I'm working as a independent Instructor. I do know that Mike pays $20 an hour (flight time) which is better than some and less than others. I know a newer instructor at Aviator that had 74 hours on their last time sheet (2 weeks). That's what its about, its really up to you and how much you fly with your students.

When I was there, Mike rented the Vero housing to instructors at a reduced rate.

I think its great that you are planning on paying your way, that's huge when it comes to surviving on the back end. When you don't have a loan payment it makes much easier to survive on CFI pay.

Good luck
 
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