Are you English Proficient?

[germb747]

http://www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviation_industry/airline_operators/airline_safety/info/all_infos/media/2008/info08008.pdf

Check out the above link if you fly outside the states. There's a new requirement to have a pilot certificate with the "English Proficient" endorsement.

 

[aloft]

Because English proficiency isn't already required to even get an FAA airman certificate or anything.

Way to go, ICAO!

 

[Chris_Ford]

Because English proficiency isn't already required to even get an FAA airman certificate or anything.

Way to go, ICAO!

...which is why the FAA is automatically giving everyone the rating... Methinks you're being a bit US-centric. If you land in Dakar, Senegal and the "officials" want to take a look at your license, they're expecting it to have "English proficient" on it. Obviously you are if you're FAA licensed, but people in other countries may not know and/or care.

 

[germb747]

....and you've got until March 5! Good luck!

 

[derg]

...which is why the FAA is automatically giving everyone the rating... Methinks you're being a bit US-centric. If you land in Dakar, Senegal and the "officials" want to take a look at your license, they're expecting it to have "English proficient" on it. Obviously you are if you're FAA licensed, but people in other countries may not know and/or care.

Ehh, no.

And this is why.

Actually the FAA's interpretation of the standard English is different for "ATP Quality" English.

Yours truly was involved in an FAA enforcement action in 1996 because I signed off students that had English, suitable for commercial, but not, and I quote "ATP Quality English" -- probably what the ICAO is concerned about.

Luckily, I was able to weasel my way out of it. The ATP doesn't require a sign-off, per se, but I did the instruction and had full knowledge that the students were preparing for an ATP checkride.

Be CAREFUL signing off students with marginal English skillz because the feds WILL call you, oftentimes years after the sign off.

 

[SIUav8er]

Be CAREFUL signing off students with marginal English skillz because the feds WILL call you, oftentimes years after the sign off.

Good to know. Ive endorsed a few foreign pilots for the ATP that were not that great at Engrish. I hope the Federalis don't come after me

 

[Velocipede]

Je ne comprend rien. Je m'excuse.

 

[derg]

Good to know. Ive endorsed a few foreign pilots for the ATP that were not that great at Engrish. I hope the Federalis don't come after me

If they stay out of trouble, you'll be fine.

My students had a problem with missing vectors on LAX approach and veering across parallel approach paths.... in 747's and 777's.... Ick.

Here's what the feds told me.

For ATP standards...

Your applicant needs to be able to understand and a react to a non-standard, English-spoken command from ATC the first time.

Hell, I can barely do that myself and I've been speaking English, at least as a primary language, for the last decade.