Are these guys serious?

We have got to be some of the most unsupervised professionals though. When I'm with a student in the plane I can (theoretically) do barrel rolls and backflips till I'm blue in the face and unless something goes wrong, the owner/school never knows. I suppose with that there will always be the few that take it to the extremes though. :confused:

Edit: Not to sound stupid but what is "Bic" time? What does it stand for?
 
TheOneMarine said:
Edit: Not to sound stupid but what is "Bic" time? What does it stand for?
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TheOneMarine said:
When I'm with a student in the plane I can (theoretically) do barrel rolls and backflips till I'm blue in the face and unless something goes wrong, the owner/school never knows. I suppose with that there will always be the few that take it to the extremes though. :confused:
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So your the one we heard stories about......:(


















:sarcasm:
 
The pilot flying Rep. Paul Wellstone when it went down, was later found to have falsified his logbook, he logged something like 1500 hrs with a 135 operation, he only flew 7.3 I think before he washed out of their program...
 
SmitteyB said:
Well with that being said- lets say you go an do a flight in the traffic pattern- 1 landing. And from startup to shutdown is 5 mins. The hobbs doesn't even change...

I guess you can't log that flight.

Unless you log .05
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I've always logged what I paid for. I've never had a flight where the hobbs didn't change (with the exception of the RG at the flight school I worked at where the hobbs was inop, and they applied a factor times the tach time for invoicing flights for that aircraft). I figure if the flight school's records and/or my receipt shows that I paid for 0.3 (or whatever), that is what I put in my logbook.
 
ctab5060X said:
Just curious, why go with something that can be as vauge as "good moral character". Why not just use 61.59? It would seem a bit more "clear cut" than "good moral character".
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Im just saying that breaking 61.59, makes you ineligible for your ATP under 61.151.

-Rob
 
SmitteyB said:
Well with that being said- lets say you go an do a flight in the traffic pattern- 1 landing. And from startup to shutdown is 5 mins. The hobbs doesn't even change...

I guess you can't log that flight.

Unless you log .05
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I dont know how fast you taxi, but Ive never been able to startup, taxi, takeoff, fly a pattern, and land safely and then taxi back, and shutdown in 6 minutes.
 
I'm saying it for the sake of the argument.

Flight by reference to the instuments should be logged accordingly, and the only option is 0.1.
 
It would be very easy to forge actual instrument times, whose going to know what kinda clouds you encountered. Its not right, but theres bad eggs in every occupation.
 
slpilot said:
I dont know how fast you taxi, but Ive never been able to startup, taxi, takeoff, fly a pattern, and land safely and then taxi back, and shutdown in 6 minutes.
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if you move the aircraft under its own power with the intent to fly, its loggable time. Even if all you do is return to parking because of mx, wx, or whatever.
 
For the sake of argument, what about this scenario:

Filed IFR flying in VMC on a hazy summer day into the setting sun...zero forward visibility, no discernible horizon except behind you, and the only way you can fly is by sole reference to instruments...can you log it as instrument time? Simulated or actual?
 
casey said:
if you move the aircraft under its own power with the intent to fly, its loggable time. Even if all you do is return to parking because of mx, wx, or whatever.
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I agree, Ive done that, but ive never been able to fly a pattern in less than 6 minutes.
 
slpilot said:
I agree, Ive done that, but ive never been able to fly a pattern in less than 6 minutes.
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When I was learning to fly, I used to get 10-12 landings in an hours time. Of course, I was flying off a short (4000 ft) runway and no traffic to upset flying a standard pattern. So flying a pattern in less than 6 minutes is possible, but probably not if you are talking about a single circuit, start up to shut down.
 
ctab5060X said:
For the sake of argument, what about this scenario:

Filed IFR flying in VMC on a hazy summer day into the setting sun...zero forward visibility, no discernible horizon except behind you, and the only way you can fly is by sole reference to instruments...can you log it as instrument time? Simulated or actual?
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You can be an non instrument rated pilot and log this as actual instrument time. How about that...actual instrument in your logbook without an IFR ticket.
 
B767Driver said:
You can be an non instrument rated pilot and log this as actual instrument time. How about that...actual instrument in your logbook without an IFR ticket.
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That is what I was taught as well. Making sure that I remembered things correctly. Just wanted to throw that out there to show that you don't have to "fly through a cloud" in order to log actual IFR.
 
I can't say I'd avise logging actual as a non IFR pilot, however. A lot of inspectors I've talked to are not familiar with the legal counsel interpretation on the matter...let alone airline interviewers.

Entirely legit, however.
 
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