Are pilots flowing in aviate on the advertised timelines

So what you’re saying, is expect to be launching out of and recovering to KGYR in your Varney callsign bird, and spending much time in the Stanfield stack, for quite some time……along with the rest of the myriad of flightschool callsigns jamming up the area around here. 😂

Man the Stanfield Stack brings back some scary memories.
 
Hasn’t changed! Haha. I’m there a couple times a week. Now, with a gazillion flight schools at the metro PHX airports, it’s actually worse.

People wonder how I instructed in the DC FRZ and put up with all the procedures, etc. I'll take it over flying in the south PHX practice area any day.
 
People wonder how I instructed in the DC FRZ and put up with all the procedures, etc. I'll take it over flying in the south PHX practice area any day.

I’m shocked there hasn’t been any midairs out here, from just south of south mountain, down to Marana, including Coolidge.

The best I overheard the other evening there in the stack:

Approaching the Stanfield stack during a checkride I was giving. Idiot training school helicopter from Chandler checks in and gets an altitude for the stack, he’s ahead of me, which is fine, but as he’s approaching, he apparently sees one of the airplanes below him in the stack and makes the following radio call “hey guys, are we flying the published holding pattern backwards now?” The airplane he’s referring to, answers “no, we are on a parallel entry for the hold”. To which the helo replies “oh, uh, ok”. And to which I key up and reply, because i simply couldn’t resist “just make a 180 and head back to ground school, son”. 😆
 
The best too, in the stack. “Hey, is anyone at XXXX altitude? Can’t remember if it was open….”

😆
 
IMO I’d work on why the two interviews didn’t go well, and then work on that for the next interview. These flows are a gimmick that work when the industry is desperate for hiring, like it was in 2022/23. Once the tide turns, there is zero guarantee of anything. Say you start at an Aviate regional now. What’s to stop them increasing that 1600 TPIC to 2,000? 2500? 3000+?


These programs were created to staff the wholly owned regionals, first and foremost. Moving them to the mainline was an afterthought. Now that hiring slowed, they have no reason to move people up to mainline.


It’s all supply and demand, and it’s not 2022/23 anymore.

Ugh...I mean it's actually impressive how you speak with such confidence on a topic you know nothing about with completely false information. I'd actually mute you, but I feel like someone has to counter your terrible information.

Flows aren't completely one sided, but they're also not 50/50. They definitely do favor the company more than the potential employee, but telling people they're gimmicks...is impressively thick. Two years ago when hiring was out of control it was hard for me to recommend Aviate to anyone. It was easier and quicker to get hired at United as a traditional interview, then doing the program. Now, things have slowed down drastically. I'm not going to give exact numbers, but last time I did interviews there were almost no traditional interviews, and only Aviate and UMPP. If United is the goal, I highly recommend looking at the program. If you leave the program to go elsewhere, you're only ineligible to be hired for one year. If you're making that move anyway, you're not expecting to be in a United flight deck in a year regardless.

Yes United can keep changing the goal posts, that's a negative to a flow program, and why they favor the company more than the potential employee. However, you need to put up with that if this is where you want to be. You're better putting up with the headaches of the program and then potentially leaving, vs. not getting here.

These programs are also not there to staff regionals. They are an extended low risk job interview for the airline. They allow an airline to create multiple gates and make sure that the employee can meet all of those requirements before really giving them the job.

To the OP: I highly recommend Raven interview prep between the two. James does a really good job over there, and I've used him for all my interviews.
 
Ugh...I mean it's actually impressive how you speak with such confidence on a topic you know nothing about with completely false information. I'd actually mute you, but I feel like someone has to counter your terrible information.

Flows aren't completely one sided, but they're also not 50/50. They definitely do favor the company more than the potential employee, but telling people they're gimmicks...is impressively thick. Two years ago when hiring was out of control it was hard for me to recommend Aviate to anyone. It was easier and quicker to get hired at United as a traditional interview, then doing the program. Now, things have slowed down drastically. I'm not going to give exact numbers, but last time I did interviews there were almost no traditional interviews, and only Aviate and UMPP. If United is the goal, I highly recommend looking at the program. If you leave the program to go elsewhere, you're only ineligible to be hired for one year. If you're making that move anyway, you're not expecting to be in a United flight deck in a year regardless.

Yes United can keep changing the goal posts, that's a negative to a flow program, and why they favor the company more than the potential employee. However, you need to put up with that if this is where you want to be. You're better putting up with the headaches of the program and then potentially leaving, vs. not getting here.

These programs are also not there to staff regionals. They are an extended low risk job interview for the airline. They allow an airline to create multiple gates and make sure that the employee can meet all of those requirements before really giving them the job.

To the OP: I highly recommend Raven interview prep between the two. James does a really good job over there, and I've used him for all my interviews.

You’re certainly entitled to your *opinion* which is exactly what your post is.




“These programs are also not there to staff regionals. They are an extended low risk job interview for the airline. They allow an airline to create multiple gates and make sure that the employee can meet all of those requirements before really giving them the job.”



That’s definitely an opinion, and an incorrect one at that.
 
These programs are also not there to staff regionals. They are an extended low risk job interview for the airline. They allow an airline to create multiple gates and make sure that the employee can meet all of those requirements before really giving them the job.
This is exactly how the D225 program has been described to me by those involved. And all our new hires will be coming from it in 2025.
 
You’re certainly entitled to your *opinion* which is exactly what your post is.




“These programs are also not there to staff regionals. They are an extended low risk job interview for the airline. They allow an airline to create multiple gates and make sure that the employee can meet all of those requirements before really giving them the job.”



That’s definitely an opinion, and an incorrect one at that.

*Lowers glasses, checks own resume*

Please share the insider knowledge you have on Aviate, to back up your claims. I'd love to see it.
 
My bad. I thought you were a 744 ACMI to United. Oh wait. Did you mean you’re on the UAL hiring team and commenting on Aviate? So you wouldn’t have a bias at all.

I apologize.

A flow will, eventually, guarantee a spot at said major carrier when their number comes up. Who knows when. Is that worth leaving a non-flow airline wheres he’s about to become CA and get TPIC? I’ve never been a fan of lateral moves unless it really really makes sense.
 
My bad. I thought you were a 744 ACMI to United. Oh wait. Did you mean you’re on the UAL hiring team and commenting on Aviate? So you wouldn’t have a bias at all.

I apologize.

I can also show you my ALPA resume too, just to show you I’m not a company cheerleader. Just figured I could add some truth to the thread instead of passing made up feelings across as facts.
 
Hasn’t changed! Haha. I’m there a couple times a week. Now, with a gazillion flight schools at the metro PHX airports, it’s actually worse.
That was me in ‘07. Top of stack was like 10,500 some days. Casa Grande was a popular little uncontrolled ILS back then!
 
I've had an interview with netjets, an ULLC and did a meet and greet with another major that I never got to the second part of the interview due to them cancelling because of the lack of deliveries from Boeing. I'm going to get interview prep with cage marshall and raven and go from there. It would have been nice to have a flow in my back pocket but it sounds like it's better to hunt your own lunch.
As someone who job hopped a lot and set myself back, just stay where you’re at and keep moving up the ladder. Giving up seniority to chase a guaranteed interview program will be difficult and may not yield the results you want, given how United has changed the program since inception.

With that said, you have a United captain who is on the hiring team telling you to look into it, so I could be way off base.
 
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