Approach Plates required?

patthepilot

patthepilot

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So a coworker and I are having a discussion about approach plates. He says plates are not required to shoot an approach, and that if you had a post-it that said "fly to VOR, descend to 2500, turn 320 degrees, return to VOR and decsend to 1000 while flying 300 degrees" is legal. I didn't believe this, so I looked it up in the FARs, and can't find a thing about it. Thus I'm asking the JC cloud of knowledge. Any help?
 
patthepilot said:
So a coworker and I are having a discussion about approach plates. He says plates are not required to shoot an approach, and that if you had a post-it that said "fly to VOR, descend to 2500, turn 320 degrees, return to VOR and decsend to 1000 while flying 300 degrees" is legal. I didn't believe this, so I looked it up in the FARs, and can't find a thing about it. Thus I'm asking the JC cloud of knowledge. Any help?
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As long as you have all of the information, I think it could be done in finger paints (legally anyway).
 
So all the websites that have approach plates or skyvector with their sectionals, and it all says-not for navigation, is more of a legal matter-not wanting to be sued if a pilot crashes and dies; more so than a-the faa doesn't legally want you flying with this
 
Part 91, small aircraft no charts at all are required to be on board...or current charts for that matter.

Just don't bust any airspace/minimums/bend anything.

-mini
 
You have to have at least a textual description of the procedure you're going to do, if I recall. Maybe thats just for STARS/DPs...
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
You have to have at least a textual description of the procedure you're going to do, if I recall. Maybe thats just for STARS/DPs...
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Yup, just for STARs/DPs. Legally, you wouldn't need anything. However, convincing the FAA that you can remember (in your head) all information concerning the flight might be difficult to do.
 
I don't know if charts are required legally, but just have current charts appropriate for the flight...there's no reason not to.
 
patthepilot said:
So a coworker and I are having a discussion about approach plates. He says plates are not required to shoot an approach, and that if you had a post-it that said "fly to VOR, descend to 2500, turn 320 degrees, return to VOR and decsend to 1000 while flying 300 degrees" is legal. I didn't believe this, so I looked it up in the FARs, and can't find a thing about it. Thus I'm asking the JC cloud of knowledge. Any help?
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The approaches as developed by the FAA are just a bunch of textual instructions. The govt (via NACO) and jeppesen just turn those instructions into more user friendly, standard depictions.
 
minitour said:
Part 91, small aircraft no charts at all are required to be on board...or current charts for that matter.

Just don't bust any airspace/minimums/bend anything.

-mini
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This. What'll get you is if/when you mess up, they'll say you didn't have all the necessary information for the flight.
 
according to the aim to fly a STAR you need at least a chart for a SID just the test depiction is adequate.

but 91.103 comes to mind and it makes no sense not to have the chart
 
I had to shoot an ILS in actual a few weeks ago and I didn't have the chart for it (got diverted due to an accident at my destination). Tower gave me the loc freq and all the other info I needed.
Not the smartest thing to do (in my opinion), and I will do everything I can to make sure I don't have to do it again.

cheers,
 
So I guess I'am still wondering are all those plates/charts/Sids/DP's that anyone cant print or download from abcdorwhatever.com legal to use during flight?
 
jamin35008 said:
So I guess I'am still wondering are all those plates/charts/Sids/DP's that anyone cant print or download from abcdorwhatever.com legal to use during flight?
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If charts aren't legally required, I'd imagine that charts from the internet are ok. I download my charts from a website (http://readerplates.com/), which costs me $9.99/month. I wouldn't have to pay for them, as you can find them free (http://dranz.readyhosting.com/), but I get them specifically formatted by State for my PRS-505 reader. Plus, they have the A/FD to go along with it.
 
jamin35008 said:
So I guess I'am still wondering are all those plates/charts/Sids/DP's that anyone cant print or download from abcdorwhatever.com legal to use during flight?
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The NACO charts? Yep. In fact, I've used them in 121 before. They sent me to GLH, and they had taken the charts out of the company's subscription about two weeks before hand. Called dispatch, got kicked up the chain of command, and I finally got approval from the top to use NACO charts. Went on Airnav and printed them out.
 
kellwolf said:
The NACO charts? Yep. In fact, I've used them in 121 before. They sent me to GLH, and they had taken the charts out of the company's subscription about two weeks before hand. Called dispatch, got kicked up the chain of command, and I finally got approval from the top to use NACO charts. Went on Airnav and printed them out.
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Ya know, we used jepp at ACE, and frankly, the NACO is the way to go, its cheaper (relatively) and if you need to, you can grab the chart off the web. Nothing sucks more than putting in all of your jepp revisions.
 
ppragman said:
Ya know, we used jepp at ACE, and frankly, the NACO is the way to go, its cheaper (relatively) and if you need to, you can grab the chart off the web. Nothing sucks more than putting in all of your jepp revisions.
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IMHO NACO are also easier to use....you don't have that big clunky jepp book in your lap, just the nice booklet on a kneeboard/leg strap. Though I have never paid for them, I have heard they are also much cheaper, and like pprag said, they are available for free online.
 
///AMG said:
IMHO NACO are also easier to use....you don't have that big clunky jepp book in your lap, just the nice booklet on a kneeboard/leg strap. Though I have never paid for them, I have heard they are also much cheaper, and like pprag said, they are available for free online.
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NOS charts rule. (NACO, or whatever the hell they've changed the name to now).
 
MikeD said:
NOS charts rule. (NACO, or whatever the hell they've changed the name to now).
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:rawk:

Don't like Jepps, never liked Jepps, will never like Jepps. I still can't find half the crap on a jepp plate/chart in a reasonable amount of time I could find on DOD/NOS/NACO/whateveritscallednow plates/charts.
 
Really? You prefer having to look all over for non-standard take off and alternate minimums? Obstacle information and inoperative equipment minimums tables?

I use both, but hands down Jep charts are more user friendly, better organized, and offer more information in one place.
 
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