Does anybody have any tips that help for briefing approaches? One CFII I flew with tought me the MARTHA method (Missed Approach, initial Altitude, Radios, Time, Heading, DH/MDA) and I always thought that worked pretty well, but none of the other guys I've flown with had heard of it and they have pretty much said to read the entire chart top to bottom, which is kind of a pain while you're trying to set up for a hold entry and you're getting bumped around nonstop. Anybody have some pointers?
Approach briefing
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kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Unless it's a LIDO chart.
I always taught my students MICEATM. It's sort of a combo brief/flow. Marker beacons, ID (freqs/radios), Course, Entry (vector/procedure turn/hold), Altitudes (intercept/DH or MDA/missed), Time (from FAF), Missed approach. If you're using Jepps or NACOs, the briefing strip is the way to go. One thing I HATE about LIDO charts is there's no good flow to them. You can SORTA go clockwise or counterclockwise depending on if it's an eastbound or westbound plate. If it's north/south, well, you can go either way.
higney85
Property of Scheduling
"this approach, that runway"... "the usual stuff". Questions?
That is what some consider briefed. Others want to explain new hid lighting and how bright it is in lumens.
Brief the approach in whatever method you want as long as you can do it the same way every time and then shoot the approach without having to reread the plate.
That is what some consider briefed. Others want to explain new hid lighting and how bright it is in lumens.
Brief the approach in whatever method you want as long as you can do it the same way every time and then shoot the approach without having to reread the plate.
CoffeeIcePapers
Well-Hung Member
+1 Who needs another stupid acronym to read an approach plate?
CirrusMonkey
No Real Usefulness
"Visual backed up by the ILS, 110.15 freq, bottoms are Xxx, right turnoff. Any questions?
Ok not the most standard but alot of people actually brief an approach this way.
Ok not the most standard but alot of people actually brief an approach this way.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
True, but I know a couple of check airmen here that would go ballistic if that's all you did. We've got an "approach briefing" checklist on our....well, checklist. There are also a list of items per the CFM that must be done for instrument approaches, and then there are some things you can leave out on a visual approach. Things like runway length and pattern alitude (if necessary) are on the list. 99% of the time, you can get away with the short version. I just like getting in the habit of at least hitting the required items so I don't have to shift gears on a line or standards check.
FullDeflection
Well-Known Member
GPS: PROC --> Airport --> Approach --> ENTER ENTER
PFD: CDI --> Magenta arrows
Autopilot: NAV, ALT HOLD
Seat: RECLINE
GUMPS
That's it, right?
PFD: CDI --> Magenta arrows
Autopilot: NAV, ALT HOLD
Seat: RECLINE
GUMPS
That's it, right?
Ayork62493
GBR
My instructor "Taught" me that as well. But having chart reading experience already, I thought it was stupid, just read it like you would read anything else.
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
Unless it's a LIDO chart.
I always taught my students MICEATM. It's sort of a combo brief/flow. Marker beacons, ID (freqs/radios), Course, Entry (vector/procedure turn/hold), Altitudes (intercept/DH or MDA/missed), Time (from FAF), Missed approach. If you're using Jepps or NACOs, the briefing strip is the way to go. One thing I HATE about LIDO charts is there's no good flow to them. You can SORTA go clockwise or counterclockwise depending on if it's an eastbound or westbound plate. If it's north/south, well, you can go either way.
...the hell is LIDO?
Anyway, I always found top to bottom, left to right to work for Jepp and NACO just fine. Dunno about all those fancyboy chart types.
ctab5060X
Well-Known Member
...the hell is LIDO?
Anyway, I always found top to bottom, left to right to work for Jepp and NACO just fine. Dunno about all those fancyboy chart types.
ctab5060X
Well-Known Member
Briefing strips are nice, but like has been said, with LIDO that is not an option.
I tend to try and just go with a logical flow. After a few tries with those charts, you tend to learn where they put things (most of the time).
Once you brief a couple of hundred approaches or so, you learn what the important stuff is and can go from there.
I tend to try and just go with a logical flow. After a few tries with those charts, you tend to learn where they put things (most of the time).
Once you brief a couple of hundred approaches or so, you learn what the important stuff is and can go from there.
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
Hmmm, I've heard of them, but never seen them before. Thanks for posting. I agree: That looks tough to brief! I guess I'd brief the airport and runway, the localizer frequency, the plan/profile views, the minimums, lighting, then the missed. Make sure it all jives in the FMC (if so equipped), and I think you'd be golden.
ctab5060X
Well-Known Member
You get used to it after a while.
Like I said before, I tend to take a logical/how things progress on the approach method to brief these charts.
Approach
Page and Date for cross-check
Frequency
Inbound Course
FAF
Mins
Runway
Missed/Turnoff and taxi plan
Simple and straight forward. If the situation dictates that more information be covered, I will cover additional the additional information.
The LIDO approach plates really are not that bad. It is when you get into the SIDs and STARs that they get to be bad.
Chief Captain
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I read the briefing strip (thanks Jeppessen!) minus the communication frequencies.
If I'm using FAA charts, I just read the plate in chronological order- NAVAID freqs, inbound course, IAF (if applicable) FAF, mins, missed approach and MSA.
If I'm using FAA charts, I just read the plate in chronological order- NAVAID freqs, inbound course, IAF (if applicable) FAF, mins, missed approach and MSA.