Anyone flown with a KLN-89B?

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centralhome

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I have a student I am fllying with that has a KLN-89B. I am used to a Garmin 430/530, and am having trouble with the 89B. Anyone have a link to a simulator or any tips on using the 89B to shoot approaches?
Any help would be appreciated.
 
centralhome said:
I have a student I am fllying with that has a KLN-89B. I am used to a Garmin 430/530, and am having trouble with the 89B. Anyone have a link to a simulator or any tips on using the 89B to shoot approaches?
Any help would be appreciated.
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No simulators.

The problem with the 89B and approaches is that the 89B is early enough in the world of IFR GPS that it doesn't have a dedicated PROC button like the later KLN-94 or the Garmin boxes. So you need to go the long way through, if I recall correctly, the airport pages, and select the approach from there.
 
That simulator is for the 89. It is VFR only. The 89B is the IFR one which I am trying to figure out.
Thanks for the help anyway.
 
centralhome said:
I I am used to a Garmin 430/530,
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A.K.A spoiled :D

I keed, I keed.

The manual does lay it out, which should be in the airplane but when I first tried to do it with the manual on my lap I messed it up.

go the the "Airport" selecting like midlife said, then I can add, turn to page "8"
select the on the approach you want.
Select the waypoint you want as the IAF, then hit the "direct to" key.

You will go directly two that fix then it will automatically cycle to the next waypoint.

You can not make the approach activate (like you can on the 430), it will do it on it's own with in two miles of the FAF.
 
As previously posted: Airport page 8, make sure that the correct airport is at the top, you can change it if it's a different one. From there it'll have all of the fixes for the approach, make sure you pick the right one. It will load the approach into the flight plan from there. If there is a procedure turn/hold you will need to select OBS mode, I don't remember if it reminds you or not. The 89B is not a bad box once you learn it! Also, if you have time, you can teach your student point bearing distance. This is helpful when flying in busy airspace and they give you a sort of crossing restriction, or clear you to the 25DME fix north of the xyz vor 360 radial.

To do this you go into the user waypoints page, create a new waypoint labeled whatever you want, scroll down to vor/rad/dist *that might not be the actual selection, can't remember* put in the vor (xyz in this example), the bearing (360), and the distance (25). It will create a user waypoint and draw it on the screen. Makes holding a lot easier when ATC puts you somewhere different or clears you somewhere out of the blue and off the beaten path.

If you have anymore 89b questions I'd be happy to try and help.
 
centralhome said:
That simulator is for the 89. It is VFR only. The 89B is the IFR one which I am trying to figure out.
Thanks for the help anyway.
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The simulator is for the KLN 89B. However, I should have uploaded the install file, rather than the EXE. I have rectified this.
 
jonny said:
If there is a procedure turn/hold you will need to select OBS mode, I don't remember if it reminds you or not.
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OBS mode gets a workout on the 89B. IIRC, it's also the only way to do vectors-to-final.

And, digging deep into my lack of knowledge, you may need to sequence ahead a bit before engaging OBS mode if the same waypoint is in as an IF/IAF and FAF when doing vectors. It's been awhile since I've tried to teach that GPS.

Perversely, what makes it such a pain to use compared to a 430/530 is good for teaching students to think about their course, heading and track instead of just blindly following the pink line. :)
 
I reallllly hated it at first. But after I got used to finding that Airport page 8, and remembering to work the OBS, it was a cake walk.

I also borrowed a King DVD from a CFI that put me to sleep.
 
I have 200+ hours on the 89B, and I'll second it seeming difficult at first. However once you get airport page 8 down, you are good to go. Just remember to make sure that the arm turns green before you cross the FAF (especially in actual). It's actually a pretty good GPS, considering the small amount of panel space it takes up.
 
Thanks again for the replies. The manual is in the plane, and I went by it the first time and still had trouble.
I am trying it again in the morning. Hopefully with all the replies I got I will be able to figure it out.
 
centralhome said:
Thanks again for the replies. The manual is in the plane, and I went by it the first time and still had trouble.
I am trying it again in the morning. Hopefully with all the replies I got I will be able to figure it out.
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The first step is forget everything you know or expect from an IFR GPS. It's been years, but I did all my IFR training behind one. The only thing I remember is that you had to program, save and load a route before you could load an approach. Hitting direct and entering your destination airport would enable to you get to that airport just fine. But if you wanted to fly an approach once you got there, you'd have to program, save and load a route from somewhere else to wherever you were trying to go. Once that was done, you could select the approaches and load them. And yeah, the OBS mode is your friend for vectors to final.
 
Joe Gremlin said:
The first step is forget everything you know or expect from an IFR GPS. It's been years, but I did all my IFR training behind one. The only thing I remember is that you had to program, save and load a route before you could load an approach. Hitting direct and entering your destination airport would enable to you get to that airport just fine. But if you wanted to fly an approach once you got there, you'd have to program, save and load a route from somewhere else to wherever you were trying to go. Once that was done, you could select the approaches and load them. And yeah, the OBS mode is your friend for vectors to final.
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Kindof, the approach has to be loaded into the flight plan, but you can do it via airport page ocho. It does not have to be loaded in on the ground. As far as OBS mode is concerned with vectors, you might have to put in obs mode, but if you're getting vectors to final, just put dir. to the FAF and let the vectors take you to that point, the approach will grab and go from there. Besides, the vectors *should* almost be direct to that fix anyway. With over 700 hours behind that box it's only let me down once... At the FAF, get nav flags on the gps and the HSI (in GPS mode), in IMC... Here's the kicker, the box was messed up/locked up, the fix to hold at on the missed was a GPS waypoint... hummmm... Luckily we saw the field and could go in visually, but still a what if moment.
 
mojo6911 said:
You ever use a Garmin? The 89B gets the job done, but it is a real POS when compared to the Garmin.
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In our aircraft we have 89B's, KLN 94's, 430's, 530's and 2 G1000. Hands down the G1000 takes the cake and the 430/530 are my second choice. 89's & 94's work fine but are POS compared to the others.
 
mojo6911 said:
You ever use a Garmin? The 89B gets the job done, but it is a real POS when compared to the Garmin.
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Well obviously when I have a 430/530 stack sitting in front of me.. life is 200% easier.. but its just nice to use some old (for lack of a better word) equipment every once in a while to see it do basically the same thing as any other GPS.
 
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