Any JetBlue pilots on this forum?
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ZapBrannigan
If it ain’t a Boeing, I’m not going. No choice.
Funny, my wife just booked us a Disney cruise to celebrate my 40th next year.
WacoFan
Bigly
Kell seems a strong union guy, but critical of the unions at Disney.
Seggy is a strong union guy, and does seem incapable of being critical of unions. ATN is the same.
It would be interesting to discuss industry and job's where the union "works" and lends itself to, and perhaps where unions don't work. For me, airline pilots absolutely need a union for myriad reasons. Disney...my business? No, I would say there is no union needed. It would be an interesting debate/cage-fight though.
Seggy is a strong union guy, and does seem incapable of being critical of unions. ATN is the same.
It would be interesting to discuss industry and job's where the union "works" and lends itself to, and perhaps where unions don't work. For me, airline pilots absolutely need a union for myriad reasons. Disney...my business? No, I would say there is no union needed. It would be an interesting debate/cage-fight though.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
That pretty much sums it up for me. There are some industries where unions are an absolute necessity. Due to the nature of the industry, I feel that the airline industry is one of those. The constant pressure to lower costs and cut corners are what make it such a needed part. Skywest is non-union and I'm not sure how they manage to do it. jetBlue is non-union, but if the health care benefits and retirement don't get brought up to par with airlines doing the same essential job, they'll unionize sometime very soon. I personally think the union is a hinderance at Disney. It's essentially an entry level job with wages that are easily replaced by going to another entry level job. In fact, Sea World pays BETTER with essentially the same benefits. You just get into different theme parks for free.
SpiraMirabilis
Possible Subversive
ATN can be very critical, just mention the Teamsters and how they stiffed the AFL-CIO. Also, I imagine there is a lot he would talk about over a beer that he wouldn't post on this forum for everyone to see. I seem to recall him not being on Team Moak during the last election, for example. There is a difference between a desire not to air dirty laundry while you're holding national elected office at a union and being incapable of being critical of them. JMHO, YMMV.
Seggy
Well-Known Member
Now that is unfair. I am extremely capable of being critical of unions and the politics that go behind them.
I wish we had a (to borrow from you) 'utopia' world where trade unions were not needed, however that is not that case.
WacoFan
Bigly
I wasn't being unfair so much - I just never have heard a critical word from you or ATN about unions. As I said in my post - I think there are some industries that require unions - flying being one of them. I'm not so sure that there are industries that are better non-unionized though - such as teachers.
amorris311
Well-Known Member
I can vouche for mr Seggy. He has been critical of unions to me many times.
Teachers as well as every other group you feel doesn't need a union has one for a reason. It is a form of checks and balances. When you have mangers who take advantage of hard working people that process is gone, this is why we have unions.
WacoFan
Bigly
That could well be - but shouldn't outcome or business success play into things a little, or should it be based solely on employee QOL and those factors?
amorris311
Well-Known Member
I honestly think a lot of those two factors are one and the same. If you have happy employees they will do good work. If you continue to • on them you will have an ever increasing problem. I see this all the time with outsourced rampers. When they get to three or five years of seniority the company folds and starts back up again with a new name. They all go back to year one pay with fewer benefits and as a result we see •tier and •tier work.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
I look at on-line forums as sort of an "on the record" type thing. I don't post anything on them that I wouldn't say out loud with others present knowing it might make it to interested parties. Now, there are a LOT of things I'll say to friends of mine or others that are willing to listen to my rants that I won't put on here for that very reason. Like AMorris, I can tell ya Seggy can be pretty critical of unions. I've talked to him on the phone a lot, but, sadly, haven't been able to make the schedules meet to where we can hang out in person since about 2004. When you've got a lot invested in something you believe in, you don't want to undercut what you've built by saying things that could be misconstrued on a public internet forum. Though I can't say AS much about him, I'm pretty sure ATN falls into the same category.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Read a rumor online another forum that a new VP of HR (or some people department) came in and has flushed the pilot pool, not liking how the ol guys did it (previous administration).
True? False?
You hear anything kellwolf?
True? False?
You hear anything kellwolf?
ClearedForOption
Displaced... again.
I believe that it is false...
Just got back from the schoolhouse recently and the 'rumors' are that hiring will be minimal for this year, (just a few for staffing shortfalls, balancing, etc.) then pick up very heavy in 2013. 'Big numbers' coming on the property in the near future... enough to drain the pool and cause new interviews to fill up the pool again over 2013. I don't know the cause for all of the rumored hiring... if it is people returning to legacy carriers from furlough, hiring at the legacies, growth, or whatever.
No matter what happens, I will still be on reserve on the west coast till I am old and grey. (And continuing to be very jealous of Cherokee_Cruiser with his sweet line and his 16+ days off a month.
)Go back and read the bottom of that post and you'll get your True?/False? answer.....
Soul Brotha'
Off to go do Black guy stuff
No matter what happens, I will still be on reserve on the west coast till I am old and grey. (And continuing to be very jealous of Cherokee_Cruiser with his sweet line and his 16+ days off a month.
Hey at least you drive to work. I would sit reserve in MCO till last day. That will be a while for me. QOL trumps pay every time for myself. Family is 10X better than Premium pay or overnights in the Caribbean.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Doubtful. I haven't heard anything. Been meaning to drop a line to the guy in charge of the poolies to get some stuff cleared up anyway. Might just toss this doozie in, too.....
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
I know plenty of pilots who have been hired there without the degree. Obviously, it always helps, though.