Any Alaska Bush Pilots Out There?

fletchersteel

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I know that this may seem ridiculous to most of you guys out there in airline land, but I have got two loves: flying and the outdoors. I have quite a few days where I wonder if the airline route is really where I ought to be or if I should get my sea wings and take to the Great North. I have had a few opportunities to work as a fishing guide, but zero for pilot. Does anybody have any insight in the pilot work up in Alaska? Mainly pertaining to how much time and what type? I have also wondered if time in the airlines would benefit an bush pilot hopeful. I know that pay and benefits would probably be a lot less than the airlines, but there is something to be said about flying through weather that the rest of us in the lower 48 would never attempt. Any input would be greatly appreciated.
-Jerry
 
I know that this may seem ridiculous to most of you guys out there in airline land, but I have got two loves: flying and the outdoors. I have quite a few days where I wonder if the airline route is really where I ought to be or if I should get my sea wings and take to the Great North. I have had a few opportunities to work as a fishing guide, but zero for pilot. Does anybody have any insight in the pilot work up in Alaska? Mainly pertaining to how much time and what type? I have also wondered if time in the airlines would benefit an bush pilot hopeful. I know that pay and benefits would probably be a lot less than the airlines, but there is something to be said about flying through weather that the rest of us in the lower 48 would never attempt. Any input would be greatly appreciated.
-Jerry

What you really need more than anything else is "alaska time." Not because the carriers care, but because insurance demands it. Airline time will not benefit you unless you're hand flying every leg, you'll need to be supurb at aircraft control if you go to land at 700' gravel strips with a full load in winter. Time and type....welllllll, 500TT and a single commercial gets you 135 VFR mins, and you might be able to get a job with that.

If you wanna fly a 207 in bethel, then you're golden, you can always start your career out there, and work your way into things if you don't have alaska time. In terms of pay, you're better off to build hours then get a really good job, then move to alaska and fly your tricked out PA-18/185 when you're not at work. To be frank, being forced to fly in really crappy wx, when its really cold takes a lot fo the fun out of alaska flying, and if you screw up, and run a 207 off the end of a runway, then good luck finding a better job in the future.

As for wx that you guys would never consider flying in, I dunno, you would never consider flying VFR in the kind of wx that you will fly in bethel, but the IFR conditions in winter usually aren't that bad. Spring and Fall seem to be worst for icing, and LIFR. I dunno, the wx I hear about in the north central states seems to be just as bad in terms of instrument conditions and icing.
 
Not only do you need "alaska time", but often it is WHO you know. There are also many different types of "bush" flying. It is some of the most fun flying you can do, but also some of the most physically draining flying there is.
My Dad started out in the bush, and now he has been with a major airline for 19 years. Its all about how hard you work, and how bad you want it.
That said, if you just like the novelty of flying around in Alaskan "bush", then do what ppragman said. Get a good paying airline job, get a nice airplane, and cruise around like most of the weekend warriors here. Nothing wrong with that.
If its something you really want, no reason you can't pursue it.
 
Not all Alaska operators require Alaska time. K-2 Aviation in Talkeetna for one, Island Air in Kodiak for another. So the "insurance" requirement for Alaska time is not written in stone. Also, many of those operators who prefer Alaska time, are willing to accept equivalent experience i.e. mountain time. If you have no Alaska time, but have a few thousand hours logged, especially in type, you're not going to be turned down for lack of Alaska time.

FARs part 135 does not authorize a pilot to fly as PIC unless he has an instrument rating with his commercial certification and a minimum of 500 hours TT. Of that 500 hours, 100 hours has to be cross country time (over 25 miles from point of origin) and of that 100 hours, 25 hours has to be at night. Most Alaska operators require 1000 hours or more, some time in type, and most of them like to see some Alaska time as well.

K-2 Aviation requires 2000 hours and prefers pilots with a substantial amount of tail-dragger time, especially Cessna 185 time, but they do occasionally hire pilots with no tail dragger time. Most of the pilots flying for K-2 have been with them for many years and return season after season to fly the mountain (McKinley) from April through September. But there is often a slot or two open with them at the beginning of each season.

Island Air in Kodiak will sometimes accept new pilots with only the 500 hour 135 minimum experience requirements.

Airline experience provides you with hours logged, but may not be helpful beyond that in getting a "bush flying" job.

Floatplane operators are looking for a couple of hundred hours on floats...again this is probably an insurance requirement. But, a way around it is to try and find a job with a company that uses both wheel planes and float planes. Hire on as a wheel pilot and as a company pilot, phase into floats on an insurance waiver.

Lodges tend to hire high time float pilots, but do provide room and board and pilots probably average around $6000 a month during the season (May-September). Most of the remote lodges in Alaska operate under FARs part 91, but under special rules for Alaska only, are allowed to fly beyond the 25 statute mile limit imposed on other commercial operations working under part 91.

Airtaxi operators vary widely in their salaries and flight schedules. There are some outfits in Southeast Alaska that start their new pilots at $25 per flight hour. Generally speaking, the further north you go, the higher the pay, and of course it increases with experience and years spent with the company. Some operators provide only occasional days off during the busy months. Others offer scheduled days off and some even have a two-week-on-two-week-off schedule. A few even have retirement plans. Many offer medical coverage and many don't. The management styles for different Alaska air taxi operations vary from almost intolerable to very respectful and everything in between.

"Almost intolerable" covers a lot of ground and can include working for someone who has the personality of a wounded rhinoceros, or an outfit with shoddy get-by-with-as-little-as-you-can maintenance. There are owners who push you to fly in really lousy weather(not as prevalent as it used to be, but still a factor). Other bosses will have you doing menial work (digging new cesspools, building trails, being a janitor etc.) when the weather prevents flying. Lodge owners are especially prone to that scenario.

So, select your Alaska flying job after acquiring as much information as possible about working conditions.


www.flyalaska.com has plenty of free information including a directory of Alaska flight operations and a message board/forum. The membership section has updated specific job listings and a bunch of other info including website links to over 200 Alaska flight operations.
 
Thanks guys for all the great info. I am currently working through my PPL. Suppose to solo today. It sounds to me like a strong career in the airlines and purchase of a small plane for weekend warroring might be my best choice. The cost of instrument and commerical plus the time and type needed to land a decent job would, in my opinion, not equal out with the pay for a long period of time. The wife is not keen on living in "a shack with a view" mentality. Is it possible to rent aircraft for vacation purposes, for instance to see McKinley, or is the insurance requirements so strict that it makes it impossible for the average "joe" pilot to aquire a set of wings? It maybe the romance of the "Alaskan bush" that draws me to bush flying.
 
Thanks guys for all the great info. I am currently working through my PPL. Suppose to solo today. It sounds to me like a strong career in the airlines and purchase of a small plane for weekend warroring might be my best choice. The cost of instrument and commerical plus the time and type needed to land a decent job would, in my opinion, not equal out with the pay for a long period of time. The wife is not keen on living in "a shack with a view" mentality. Is it possible to rent aircraft for vacation purposes, for instance to see McKinley, or is the insurance requirements so strict that it makes it impossible for the average "joe" pilot to aquire a set of wings? It maybe the romance of the "Alaskan bush" that draws me to bush flying.

There are a number of places you can rent airplanes, but I doubt any of them will actually let you land on anything other than paved. Mostly due to insurance again. At least this was the case when I was getting my PPL last year. Alaska sure is a beautiful to fly!:drool:
 
Great info!

One of the things I am looking to do down the road is work for one of the lodges as a pilot/fly fishing guide.

The insight into pay was nice, I did know about the room and board.

What a great way to spend a summer!
 
Thanks guys for all the great info. I am currently working through my PPL. Suppose to solo today. It sounds to me like a strong career in the airlines and purchase of a small plane for weekend warroring might be my best choice. The cost of instrument and commerical plus the time and type needed to land a decent job would, in my opinion, not equal out with the pay for a long period of time. The wife is not keen on living in "a shack with a view" mentality. Is it possible to rent aircraft for vacation purposes, for instance to see McKinley, or is the insurance requirements so strict that it makes it impossible for the average "joe" pilot to aquire a set of wings? It maybe the romance of the "Alaskan bush" that draws me to bush flying.

You'd be better off to take a tour of Mt Mckinley with one of the air taxi outfits that fly out of Talkeetna. There are literally dozens of airplanes flying around, over, and up and down the mountain on a good day. There are probably 75 or more reporting points on and nearing the mountain and Talkeetna, all of which are used by tour plane pilots to keep track of each other. Only a very few of the names of the reporting points would give you any sort of clue to its location, and even then, you would have to know the geographical features of the mountain to understand what they were talking about.

Most of the reporting points are somewhat arcane i.e. French Ridge, one shot, second shot, alder creek, backside glacier, 747 pass, y of the toke, gateway, final approach ridge, etc. Others tell you where they are i.e. South Hunter Pass, North Hunter Pass, Bottom of the Ruth, west fork of the Ruth, but none of these mean much if you don't what they're refering to. In any event there is a lot of traffic around the mountain, especially the southeast side and it can get pretty weird if you don't know how to disclose your own location or understand where other planes are from their reported positions.

If you want to see some outstanding scenery without the hassle of dozens of tour planes giving you a hard time (and they will). Rent a plane and checkout some of Wrangell St. Elias National Park. http://www.nps.gov/wrst/park-facts.htm
 
Not only do you need "alaska time", but often it is WHO you know. There are also many different types of "bush" flying. It is some of the most fun flying you can do, but also some of the most physically draining flying there is.
My Dad started out in the bush, and now he has been with a major airline for 19 years. Its all about how hard you work, and how bad you want it.
That said, if you just like the novelty of flying around in Alaskan "bush", then do what ppragman said. Get a good paying airline job, get a nice airplane, and cruise around like most of the weekend warriors here. Nothing wrong with that.
If its something you really want, no reason you can't pursue it.

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AH-HAH!! I think I know who you are! Last name starts with an H?
Probably about 8 years ago I was jumpseating ANC-SEA on Alaska and sat next to this kid who happened to be your cousin, O'Hara. You, you brother and your dad were waiting at the gate. I was pretty good friends with Karen B. when I worked for Glen. . . went to one of your birthday parties at Chuck E Cheese's . . .small world!!

Say hi to your dad from Chris Bena!
 
well for all you that want to come to alaska let me tell you about my last couple days. its been cold here. yesterday 0730 show, have to preflight in -35F, fuel, sweep the frost off the wings and heat the plane. the flights colder than .... these chieftains can only produce so much heat plus the thing leaks cold air from everywhere. at the destination i have to unload and load by myself in -45. the next flight was about the same thing. except for the way home. these chieftains have two heat sources. theres the janitrol as the main heater located up in the nose. then we have heat coming from airflow over the left engine. the problems started with that secondary heater knob being frozen in the off position. i just happened to have flown the same plane the day before and had squawked that same thing but mx pulled it into the warm hangar thawed it out and it worked just fine. then they pushed the knob in to the off position and brought the airplane back outside where it once again froze in the off position. anyway the main heater was keeping it warm enough so i wasnt too concerned. well then my janitrol heater decided that it had had enough and quit. now im 25 minutes out with -22F at altitude and -38F on the ground in an airplane that is leaking cold air from every imaginable spot. the janitrol heaters have a problem with quitting when you need them the most. i had two passengers on board that were starting to hate me i was starting to stutter talking to the controllers and all i could think of was i have to get a new airplane ready and go do this again. today was even colder. -45 here and -52 at one of my destinations. i ended up cancelling my last flight though cause it was just too cold and stuff was starting to break on the airplane. those who havent ever seen these kinds of temps have no idea how much starts going wrong in a hurry and how easily things break that cold. anyway i think im starting to get tired of the winters up here. i think maybe ill start flying up here in the summer and find something where its warm during the winter but otherwise i love this place.

im going to just paste this here it was a reply to someones pm but others may find it informative


hey there well first i am north but not canada so i cant tell you much about that but im in alaska and have been flying up here for close to three years now. of course i was born and raised up here so its home (for now). 750 hours will land you a job up here. there are places that will hire you to fly a 207 or a cherokee 6 or something similar. hauling cargo pax whatever. part 135 mins are 500tt and some other small requirements and its gotten to where people will actually hire at that. it wont be the most glamorous job but its a foot in the door. everyone says you need alaska time to get a job. not true however you may not be able to be picky about the job. most medevac companies run highly experienced pilots. most outfits flying hunters people to lodges things like that are the same way. but the mail needs to be moved and villagers need to make trips to town so there are plenty of those air taxis up here that will hire you. another option could be companies like frontier, era, ace, pen air, etc... that hire will hire an fo with ridiculously low time. like 250hrs. so yeah there are jobs up here especially with the regionals hiring at such low mins. it used to be that guys came up here to build time so that they could get a job with a regional down in the states. now they dont have to because they can get a job down there with as low or lower time. as a result there is a drastic shortage of pilots up here. anyway hope that helps some
 
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AH-HAH!! I think I know who you are! Last name starts with an H?
Probably about 8 years ago I was jumpseating ANC-SEA on Alaska and sat next to this kid who happened to be your cousin, O'Hara. You, you brother and your dad were waiting at the gate. I was pretty good friends with Karen B. when I worked for Glen. . . went to one of your birthday parties at Chuck E Cheese's . . .small world!!

Say hi to your dad from Chris Bena!

Nice work Sherlock! I'll pass it along.:D
 
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