Anti-Riddle Blog

As an ERAU-Daytona grad, I'll leave you with the infamous proverb...What you put into it is what you get out of it. Obviously Angry Jim didn't put much into it, other than negativity. I followed his blog when it was still up, and trust me, I would have punched him had I seen him on the sidewalks of campus.
 
You tell 'em Travis. The only thing I hated about Riddle were some of the students that went there. Those that didn't try and then attached Riddle to their name and now people associate these losers with that university. If you try hard and work your butt off you WILL get the best education in this field.
 
I had a bunch of stuff typed up, but it isn't worth it...y'all will find out how well respected Riddle is when you get out here in the real world.:eek: :(
 
I know TX it's depressing. But seriously if you tried while you were there you do get a good education. But what I've faced is "oh you went to Riddle this is gonna be good!" And I kinda have to prove myself.
 
TFaudree_ERAU said:
As an ERAU-Daytona grad, I'll leave you with the infamous proverb...What you put into it is what you get out of it. Obviously Angry Jim didn't put much into it, other than negativity. I followed his blog when it was still up, and trust me, I would have punched him had I seen him on the sidewalks of campus.
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You'd punch him in the face because he saw what Erby Diddle was worth? Makes sense to me man. :rolleyes: I went to PRC in hopes of getting the name, rep, training and all the sunshine they direct on your ass to get you there. Me and another guy were in the CPT's day 2 memorizing flows, and what was the conclusion? This place isn't what they advertise it as. I'm glad you blew 100k+ or however much you spent and feel that it was well spent. Don't ride your high horse around because others saw the downfalls were not worth it, but you did.
 
txpilot said:
I had a bunch of stuff typed up, but it isn't worth it...y'all will find out how well respected Riddle is when you get out here in the real world.:eek: :(
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I am out in the real world, thank you very much, as is Mike C. (mikecweb). I know that I'm doing quite alright, and I think Mike would say the same thing. Maybe the money isn't all that great, but hey, we're young and we're being paid to fly. If you're in aviation for the money, you're in the wrong profession. Thats just common sense.

caliginousface said:
I went to PRC in hopes of getting the name, rep, training and all the sunshine they direct on your ass to get you there. Me and another guy were in the CPT's day 2 memorizing flows, and what was the conclusion? This place isn't what they advertise it as.
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I think I've figured out what it is with most anti-Riddle people. So what if you spent 2 days in the CPT studying flows. Did you go in expecting to learn how to fly in a week? It seems to me like you're not mad at what ERAU advertised and didn't deliver, but rather what they didn't advertise and was delivered...a plate full of work.

caliginousface said:
Don't ride your high horse around because others saw the downfalls were not worth it, but you did.
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Thems sound like fightin words...
-I don't ride horses. They smell bad. Meet me and I guarantee you'll find that I'm very reserved. All of my friends and colleagues would say that if the sun didn't rise tomorrow, I wouldn't complain...I'd just fly around with my nav lights burning. I might even front the cost of the bulbs buring out more often.

-Downfalls...nah, don't see any. Your opinion is like an #######...it stinks. Funny thing is, I know mine does too.

-I happen to be quite happy with the education I got there, both in and out of the classroom. Yes, it cost an arm and a leg; I'll be paying for it for the next 20 years. Am I happy? Of course. I'm right where I want to be at this point in my life. I also know that life, as well as aviation as an occupation, is just like Riddle was; you have to make an attempt to succeed.
 
TFaudree_ERAU said:
I think I've figured out what it is with most anti-Riddle people. So what if you spent 2 days in the CPT studying flows. Did you go in expecting to learn how to fly in a week? It seems to me like you're not mad at what ERAU advertised and didn't deliver, but rather what they didn't advertise and was delivered...a plate full of work.
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I already had my private, as did most of us. WE went in expecting to be at the university they claimed to be. I was the first to finish the trans course from the summer out of all of us, and moved right into the multi getting my flows down before anyone had to tell me anything. Yeah it was plate full of work, and I shoved that #### down because I was/am dedicated.

Why the hell should I waste 12 months on an instrument rating while my friend flying across the field got his done in 3 months?

GOOOOO ERBY DIDDLE!

Blah Blah Blah.
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Yep
 
mikecweb said:
I know TX it's depressing. But seriously if you tried while you were there you do get a good education. But what I've faced is "oh you went to Riddle this is gonna be good!" And I kinda have to prove myself.
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Well, at least you understood what I was saying on that. What did they say when you were in training at Airnet? I was hounded for a while, until I proved myself, now nobody says anything to me about it.

TFaudree_ERAU, Yes, I've seen both of you saying what you're doing, and I believe Mike is with my comany down in OPF. I'm not saying the education was bad...the book work was some of the best I've been through. The flying is just like any other flying you do, though, even watered down because of those damned PQ cards and assinine rules.

My point is it's a good education, there are much cheaper ways to get the ratings and degree, and there is a stygmatism attached to Riddle because of all the Riddle dorks out there that think nobody else could have possibly received as good an education as we did at Riddle, and then make a$$es of themselves.
 
txpilot said:
My point is it's a good education, there are much cheaper ways to get the ratings and degree, and there is a stygmatism attached to Riddle because of all the Riddle dorks out there that think nobody else could have possibly received as good an education as we did at Riddle, and then make a$$es of themselves.
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We called em "Riddle Dudes". I did not like "Riddle Dudes".
 
txpilot said:
Well, at least you understood what I was saying on that. What did they say when you were in training at Airnet? I was hounded for a while, until I proved myself, now nobody says anything to me about it.
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Yeah I was "The Riddle Kid". Something I'll always remember... One of my instructors said I was the "Smartest Riddle Kid he knew"....because I knew I was dumb when I got here. Most think they are smart and then they are proven dumb. Laughed my butt off the whole time. And it was true. I came in there with the attitude that I didn't know everything and it would be a challenge. If I came in there with the "I went to Riddle so this will be a joke" attitude I would be back in the right seat of a 172 saying right rudder for another 1000 hours.
Yeah you gotta prove it. At the end of the day flying is flying. No matter where you go you aren't going to get a free pass because of something said on paper. My only objection to anthing ever said that I wasted my time there. I worked my butt off at that school and I'm not about to be told that I wasted it because some people either are or have been exposed to the slackers that went there. A slacker is a slacker is a slacker but for some reason slackers from Riddle are somehow presented as the typical student coming out of there. Its a real shame.
 
Well, what it seems to come down to is this:

You can do everything that ERAU can offer you at a local FBO.
When you are done the price difference is 30k for the fbo and 180k for ER

It seems that the only people that still defend riddle are the people that are going there or who want to desperately believe that going to riddle makes them a better pilot or higher on the aviation food chain. In my mind, it is lunacy to pay 180k for an education that will get you a job that you can ONLY HOPE will pay you 100k in 15 years. The only thing that benefits from this relationship is the university while it cashes your checks.
 
Well, what it seems to come down to is this:

You can do everything that ERAU can offer you at a local FBO.
When you are done the price difference is 30k for the fbo and 180k for ER

It seems that the only people that still defend riddle are the people that are going there or who want to desperately believe that going to riddle makes them a better pilot or higher on the aviation food chain. In my mind, it is lunacy to pay 180k for an education that will get you a job that you can ONLY HOPE will pay you 100k in 15 years. The only thing that benefits from this relationship is the university while it cashes your checks
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i would like to shake your hand. That has been my exact agrument for quite some time.
 
Where do people come up with these numbers? 180k for four years? Of course that sounds outragious, cause it's not true. Unless someone can confess to paying that much then I can't see it costing that much. Also, everyone talks about getting an education from somewhere else in a non aero. sci. degree. Go to a more "rounded" school or what have you. One of my friends (he attends Riddle now) wants to fly. It would have been more costly for him to go to Wisconsin, Colorado College, USC, BC, and all those schools and fly at an FBO then it is for him to go to Riddle. So what does everyone mean by dont go to ERAU? Why not? Why is it a waste? Why should someone fork over even more money for a degree that wont be any good anyways if, for some cause, they can't fly anymore, right? I just learned that a degree does practically no good unless you have job experience. So, fork over more money for the previously mentioned schools for a business degree, or whatever, and fly for 10-15 years, get your med pulled, and now you're stuck because business' will look at the new college grad who has the degree and an internship, and not the 35-40 year old, with the same degree and no experience in 10-15 years.

Someone please explain. I'm not bashing anyone. Rather, trying to learn what all the fuss is about.
 
RoidPhreak said:
Well, what it seems to come down to is this:

You can do everything that ERAU can offer you at a local FBO.
When you are done the price difference is 30k for the fbo and 180k for ER
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Also, that's apples and oranges. Sure, you pay 30k for training at FBO, and you pay a couple thousand more for the training at ER. You don't pay 180k for the training.

It comes down to this:

You can't pay 30k at an FBO and get a degree with it. That's only the training. Still need to pay for college. And if Riddle does cost 180k, go to Boston College and pay 178,384 for four years of school and 30k for training at an FBO. Thats 208k. More then Riddle. BC is a great education right? USC - 218k. Also a great education and not a worthless aero sci degree.
 
How could you make an arguement for or against a university if you still aren't old enough to go to one?
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16 yrs old = junior year = critical year for college planning. i am currently looking at colleges and researching them. I have done my HW and know what is the most efficent way to do this. Embry Riddle is defineately not the most cost efficent way to do it. I dont care how old i am, that fact doesnt change.

what about people that are too old to go to one... can they make a point?

EDIT: 180k is a bit high. off of their site i would say $120 is a bit closer
 
I'm just troubled by the "I've been telling people for years". I hate people that jump on bandwagons with no experience on the subject.
 
SwimAway said:
Let me put in my $.02 here... I actually started off at ERAU PRC, I figured that it would be a place to get some hours, get some connections, get a great job.... well after a grand total of 1 semester, I realized that I was basically bending over and taking it in the rear. In one semester I had gathered up a WHOPPING 22 flight hours and had paid well over double what it cost across the field at the training center. I have since moved on to the extened campus back here in LA and let me say WOW what a difference a few hundred miles make! Classes are about $180 a credit hour and they give out credits like they're candy... I got something like 38 credits for my Multi-Comm, it was unbelievavle. Not to mention I can fly all day (or work like I do most of the time) and show up to classes at night. Seriously, the best part is... I'm going to be done in half the time that it would've taken me at PRC.

My point. Yeah, PRC is a total rip off... but.. don't judge the extended campuses... they are actually worth the $$.
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What program are you doing now?
 
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