(Another) question about commuting

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Hubbs

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Not wanting to hijack the other thread about commuting, I thought I'd start a fresh one.

I am a new hire at an AA WO, and I am a little unsure about commuting vs non-revving. I know I can list non-rev for both AA and US and that my priority within my category (D2) is based on the 24 hour checkin time. What happens if I list for the jumpseat on AA or US? How is priority ordered then? Is it FCFS within certain categories?

How does the jumpseat priority compare the the nonrev priority? For example, suppose there is one jumpseat and two open seats in the back, and there are 3 listed for the JS and also 6 nonrevs listed, who gets on?

Thanks
 
Mainline AA jumpseat priority goes like this: AA guy/gal, US Air guy, Eagle (Envoy) guy, then all others. (Within each category, seniority rules.) If you list as a D2 and are highest on the list as a D2 and you see an FDJ AA, US, or EAG below you, they will likely take the JS ahead of you. (but if you are highest on the list, you will get a seat in back ahead of them.) On Airways it goes US guy, AA guy, all others FCFS. Listing on airways and checking in on time gets you higher priority for a seat in back but you still have to fill out a jumpseat request and show your credentials to the agent, as jetnet and wings are not fully integrated yet. If you see a PR1 listed on wings, that's a US Airways jumpseater who has specifically listed for and gotten dibs on the jumpseat.

In your scenario, everyone is considered a non rev. Regardless of check in time or position on the list, the AA guy gets the jumpseat on AA metal. If he happens to be highest on the list, he can take an open seat in the back, thus leaving the Jumpseat open for other qualified non revs with an FDJ designation. Seats in the back go by order on the list which is predicated by check in time.

Clear as mud? (It only takes a couple of times watching this work to see how it shakes out)
 
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You cannot list for the jumpseat on AA.

You list as a D2 or D1 whatever your persuasion, your position on the standby list is by check-in time within classification (D1T, D1, D2T, D2, etc)
When the standby list is processed, if there are more non-revs than there are seats, then jumpseat eligible riders who have not been given a seat in the back are processed for the jumpseat. 1W/2W, 1X,2X,3X,4X, etc

Jumpseat is always by seniority. On AA metal, it is AA, US, then WO, by seniority. On US metal it is US, AA, then everyone else.

As far as your question, it really depends on what time everyone checked in.

If the 3 flight deck jumpseat eligible pilots check in last after the other 6 non-revs, then only first 2 non-pilot non-revs get on, and the 1 pilot with the highest seniority gets the jumpseat.

If the 3 flight deck jumpseat eligible pilots are first 1, 2, 3 on the non-rev list, then 1 and 2 get seats in back, #3 gets the jumpseat.

You can see what time everyone checked in using the G*(flight number)/PALL*H sabre command using your RES sign-in in mobileFOS on your smartphone or the mobile CCI smartphone app


It gets even more messed up when you deal with D6L and D6U jumpseaters. I've had flights with 20 open seats, and 2 D6L pilots show up. 1 pilot gets a seat in the back, and the other one stands in the window watching us push back with 19 empty seats.

Or 2 D6L and 1 D6U. If the D6U checks in first, he'll get on the plane and the 2 D6L pilots will be left behind with 19 empty seats. If the 2 D6Ls check in first, and the D6U last, 1 D6L and the D6U get on, 1 D6L gets left behind with 18 empty seats.
 
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Clear as mud! Thanks for the replies.

So on AA there is no listing for the JS? So I make a nonrev listing on the NRTP website, when do I tell the system I'm FDJ eligible? At the gate?

How about US?

Is it bad juju to have listings on both AA and US between the same city pairs on the same day? I know two on the same carrier is not allowed. I'm CLT based and living in DFW so will be commuting on both carriers.

If I list nonrev and sit in the back on AA, should I still checkin with the PIC? How about US?

Thanks again
 
Hubbs said:
Clear as mud! Thanks for the replies.

So on AA there is no listing for the JS? So I make a nonrev listing on the NRTP website, when do I tell the system I'm FDJ eligible? At the gate?

How about US?

Is it bad juju to have listings on both AA and US between the same city pairs on the same day? I know two on the same carrier is not allowed. I'm CLT based and living in DFW so will be commuting on both carriers.

If I list nonrev and sit in the back on AA, should I still checkin with the PIC? How about US?

Thanks again
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lol it really does make more sense after you do it a couple of months. It's not hard...just takes some getting used to.

If you nonrev and get a seat in the back, I don't feel checking in with the crew is that big of a deal. If they aren't busy pop in and say hi just to let them know you are there. If you are in the middle of the boarding line and they dealing with checklists and other preflight crap just go sit down...you are good to go.
 
Hubbs said:
Clear as mud! Thanks for the replies.
So on AA there is no listing for the JS? So I make a nonrev listing on the NRTP website, when do I tell the system I'm FDJ eligible? At the gate?
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The system tags you as FDJ eligible when you check in. You can verify this looking at the standby list in SABRE. It'll be on the right side of the list. You can also see who else you're competing with for the jumpseat. The advantage of actually using your RES sign-in is that if you're so inclined, you can watch the agent hand out seats in real-time as the boarding is happening.

As far as seniority, the gate agent has no idea who is senior, so if there are multiple jumpseaters and they run out of seats it's incumbent upon you to figure out among yourselves who is getting the 1W. Otherwise, the agent will just hand out the 1W to the first person he or she wants to and if no one protests, then it's no skin off the agent's back.
 
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The system tags you as FDJ eligible when you check in. You can verify this looking at the standby list in SABRE. It'll be on the right side of the list. You can also see who else you're competing with for the jumpseat. The advantage of actually using your RES sign-in is that if you're so inclined, you can watch the agent hand out seats in real-time as the boarding is happening.

As far as seniority, the gate agent has no idea who is senior, so if there are multiple jumpseaters and they run out of seats it's incumbent upon you to figure out among yourselves who is getting the 1W. Otherwise, the agent will just hand out the 1W to the first person he or she wants to and if no one protests, then it's no skin off the agent's back.
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OK, thanks.

I know the NRTP will automatically move you to the next available flight on AA, and keep your original checkin time. Is it bad juju to have a listing on both AA and US between the same city pairs, on the same day?
 
Well. No NRTP doesn't roll you over to the next flight. The agent of the flight you were trying to get on rolls you over to the next flight. Normally if they call your name and you no show, you don't get rolled over and you lose your spot on the standby list. But if the list is really long and the agent doesn't want to deal with the list, the agent just rolls the whole list over - no shows and all. But in theory they are supposed to call each name after the flight is closed and departs, and roll each individual person over to the next one.

Even if you have lost your spot on the list, you can always go up to the agent of the next flight and tell them "I was listed on xxxx (previous flight), can you roll me over to this one..." and you will most likely get your spot back.

But then again, you're not supposed to no show, some people list for a flight they don't intend to take and hope to get rolled to the next one and then they're ahead of all the folks on the next flight, and that is not allowed - you can lose your non-rev privileges that way.

As far as listing on AA and US, I couldn't tell you. Check the TRIP book on Jetnet. Just my average Joe opinion though, since I don't think AA and US res systems talk to each other, they have no way of knowing you've listed on AA and US on the same city pair, so you can probably get away with it if it's not allowed. But I wouldn't risk your non-rev privileges based on what I've said.
 
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