Another HEMS crash

Roger Roger said:
The other thing is to properly administer and benefit from an ASAP program takes people who dedicate their time to doing the program, which at your typical 135 where the DO and CP fly 700 hours a year and the safety officer is a line pilot who does a little paperwork on occasion just doesn't work.
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Well it's coming as mandatory, so operators should probably consider getting on board.
 
The 135 ASAP, for the sake of scale, is a group of 135 operations. From what I understand, it works much like the 121 version.
 
I_Money said:
The British model will not work in the US and I do not believe for a second it has the same life saving impact that the US model does. I think you will find very few truly lifesaving flights, and many patients with basic orthopedic injuries on the claim the road is too bumpy. It sounds like recruitment for a horse rider, or cyclist to do some 3rd party fundraising. Also the parents company Bond Helicopter is for profit.
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I certainly agree that system wouldn't work, although I wouldn't say the US model had a particular lifesaving impact either, particularly out here.
 
NickH said:
I certainly agree that system wouldn't work, although I wouldn't say the US model had a particular lifesaving impact either, particularly out here.
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Yeah, I dunno. My program did all hospital transfers, so obviously not particularly helpful for the question at hand (plus they were all children, so, you know, less likely to get shot or stabbed, one hopes). But I did a fair bit of workover at other programs which had helicopters, and even out in the boonies, it sure looked to me like ~75% of the flights were, uh, let's be generous and say "questionable" vis a vis the cost/benefit analysis, at least from a semi-educated layman's perspective. *shrug*

Now, that said, I think no night flights is taking things a bit too far. That's half the day. So to speak.
 
z987k said:
Well it's coming as mandatory, so operators should probably consider getting on board.
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Right, but you and I both know that there is a difference between doing things well enough to comply with the letter of the law and going wholesale into it to make a difference in the daily operation. The second requires a desire for change and manpower, both of which are often lacking in your average 135 shop.
 
Roger Roger said:
Right, but you and I both know that there is a difference between doing things well enough to comply with the letter of the law and going wholesale into it to make a difference in the daily operation. The second requires a desire for change and manpower, both of which are often lacking in your average 135 shop.
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Then we will continue to have totally avoidable accidents and incidents. The Medallion foundation does a pretty good job of setting it all up for you, and at least with the type of flying I do, plenty of people have plenty of time on their hands.
 
When med crews can arrive at a scene and say "this person doesn't need to fly" and not get fired...

When ground EMS or sending docs become financially responsible for the patients' out of pocket expenses for BS transfers...

When A021 has higher weather mins, especially for aided/unaided night....

then the industry will change.

I expect I'll see a flying unicorn first.
 
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The purpose of these two articles is to tug at ones emotions and to over-dramatize the accident.
These guys (Glen Puit and the other reporter that was most likely to embarrassed to ID himself) are shooting out of their backsides. Obviously going for some county news award rather than professional journalism. Oh sorry, what was I thinking...?
 
Quality aside, EMD and AMGH have several bases in OK. Getting the public spooled up could have consequences at the state (EMS board) or local (people buying memberships or refusing transport) levels.
 
deadstick said:
Quality aside, EMD and AMGH have several bases in OK. Getting the public spooled up could have consequences at the state (EMS board) or local (people buying memberships or refusing transport) levels.
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Agreed....+1
IMO, this type of journalism is irresponsible, unprofessional and careless.
 
dustoff17 said:
Agreed....+1
IMO, this type of journalism is irresponsible, unprofessional and careless.
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Honestly, though, aren't most "journalists" these days either lobbyists with a circulation or sensationalists, ie TMZ?

This Walter is gone.

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All that is left is the love child of this Walter

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and this reporter.

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