Another flood?!?

dugie, no one was asking WHY WHY WHY like a toddler.

i was out flying with my instructor and dj_to_rule was in the backseat observing (for his CFI class)

to rule commented that it seems like BS that my instructor tried to tell me the landing light would 'burn up'

i agreed that it did not sound correct

someone else (jace?) added that he had heard from MX that this is infact a myth

then we all collectively asserted that we do not feel BS fed to students is a good thing. teach us the right reason for not using the landing light all the time and students would be better pilots. (agree? yes. of course because this makes sense)

please quote if someone mentioned something else about UND practices/proc. in this thread.
 
Dugie8 said:
TEX
Im pretty sure we are on the same page too, maybe just a different paragraph. In my short 3 years at UND as an instructor I never once heard one good argument for SOP change (ie wx mins, overnite use of airplanes, etc) but I did hear a whole lot of whining about those very things. Don't take my "rants" as rants directed at you personally, just using "you" as a general term for UND students.
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i have no doubts there is plenty of bratty whining here. here, as in, at the airport, not specifically this thread (clarification)

i think our thoughts about landing light usage vs. BS stories vs. mx costs vs. good procedures are valid for discussion however.
 
TXaviator said:
dugie, no one was asking WHY WHY WHY like a toddler.

i was out flying with my instructor and dj_to_rule was in the backseat observing (for his CFI class)

to rule commented that it seems like BS that my instructor tried to tell me the landing light would 'burn up'

TEX, that sheds a little more light on the story. Did your instructor say it would "burn up" as in catch the airplane on fire, or "burn up" as in it can wear out the light faster?

i agreed that it did not sound correct

someone else (jace?) added that he had heard from MX that this is infact a myth

then we all collectively asserted that we do not feel BS fed to students is a good thing. teach us the right reason for not using the landing light all the time and students would be better pilots. (agree? yes. of course because this makes sense)

please quote if someone mentioned something else about UND practices/proc. in this thread.
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The difference there being, your instructor was (maybe Im guessing here) just trying to alert you to the fact that if it is not necessary to use the landing light, maybe try to save it. A burnt out landing light will ground the airplane at nite (you know this). Maybe the instructor was just trying to add a little more :sitaware: to the flight, about things that don't immediately and directly affect you at the time??

We used to do the same thing with recog lights, because they were not in the MEL (this was many moons ago). So a burnt out recog light would ground the airplane, even during the day. The idea being, if you don't "un-necessarily" use them, we get a little more life out of them and less red slipped airplanes.

But yes, I agree, it is good to have discussions about things that don't make sense, but at the same time, don't jump to conclusions either. There may be more to the story than you can readily find.
 
Dj To Rule said:
Hey Jeremy, the observation was great kind of sucks it was cut short because SOF MIGHT GET MAD!
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TEX

this was the quote that sparked my attention about "whining" about UND rules. Not saying you are Dj, just the general attitude a lot of students seem to have towards the SOF(s).
 
Dugie8 said:
TEX

this was the quote that sparked my attention about "whining" about UND rules. Not saying you are Dj, just the general attitude a lot of students seem to have towards the SOF(s).
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im sure youve never been disappointed/peeved that your flight you were enjoying got cut short!! we were out there having a good time, knocking out a lesson, enjoying the pleasant evening! of course we didnt want to quit :-D
 
TXaviator said:
im sure youve never been disappointed/peeved that your flight you were enjoying got cut short!! we were out there having a good time, knocking out a lesson, enjoying the pleasant evening! of course we didnt want to quit :-D
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Do tell, what was it cut short for?
 
TXaviator said:
Passed the SOF's bedtime.
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Well JESUS H CHRIST, there we go! How can expect that poor SOF to sit there and play the hundredth game of solitare, while ya'll are out having fun? That just aint right :argue:
 
TXaviator said:
Passed the SOF's bedtime.
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Dugie8 said:
If you think you are smarter than the rules that are in place, you have a serious attitude problem and you need to check it real quick before you start hauling people and property around for hire, or even worse, teaching your attitude to your students
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That's the American Spirit, don't question authority, just do it, just because.

Rules that are there for safety, explained, correlated, debated (not thinking smarter bringing another aspect and viewpoint) vs rules that are in place, JUST FOLLOW JUST BEACUSE, or you have an attitude problem.

The person who made the rules was a human too, and not just one, it is always an ongoing process of debating, learning, sharing viewpoints. Im not gonna just follow!
 
TXaviator said:
-i dont see where anyone mentioned anything about joyriding on school time... but if flying is no fun for you, then wow, that must suck to have it as a job. flying SHOULD be enjoyable to you if one plans to make a career out of it. i have tons of fun while accomplishing the training objectives or lesson for the day.
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I learn from Joyrides :yeahthat:

TXaviator said:
-there is a fine line between questioning authority and anti-authority. if you go through life blindly accepting things that are told to you, you have learned nothing. in most cases, sure, after due thought and proper thinking one will arrive at the same conclusions as those who came before you (and made the rules) .
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The ND Buffalo Syndrome and people who don't fit in the herd of Buffalos!

HEY LOOK THAT ONE RAN OFF A CLIFF, must be correct, FOLLOW!
 
Dugie8 said:
Tex
Im sure youre a smart person, who does well in flying, but believe it or not, you don't know everything, and you never will. You are not the first one to complain about the rules at UND, and you won't be the last. The simple fact that these rules rarely change much year after year should tell you something, YOU ARE WRONG! And do not try to compare this to civil rights movements, suffrage, etc, there is no moral ground for UND rules, only safety. Like I said, find a rule that compromises safety and you will have everyones ear. Plus, if you are such a stellar pilot, wx mins and many other restrictions can be waived by the Chief Instructor or Asst Chief on duty. If your instructor thinks you are up to snuff have them get you special permission, otherwise, follow the rules.
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Somone is being assertive with statements such as YOU ARE WRONG, if you are such a stellar pilot (competition??) threat?? I'm sorry YOU ARE NOT A DICTATOR, nor are you DARTH VADER. haha How about I get on top of that with a hard stating, competitive sounding similar like yours! :D

Whatever, I love stirring up this forum.

Cheers
 
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