AND COLGAN Q400s IT IS!!!!

sorrygottarunway said:
I'm writing Oprah. Maybe his'll be my chance for my big break.

My IOE instructor (formerly based in ITH) told me during my 2 days, "c'mon man, I could park my car between the barber pole and the airspeed pointer."

Some of you will know who I'm talking about.
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OMG....that's funny. I had him for IOE too......he also did my initial PC and raked my partner and me over the coals in "the box."
 
I've never flown a Q400 but know guys that have. One guy told me he would fly some legs faster in the Q400 than an ERJ! Short climb to altitude and let rip while the RJ's still climbing. Cruises faster than any other prop. Approach speed won't be a problem. Fuel economy is awesome.

It doesn't seem to be a pilots plane though. Very awkard to handle without George, doing the flying. Landing it is a nightmare, way worse than even the 340, so I'm told. Doesn't fly anything like the other Dashes. They are also temperamental and hard to maintain. Not a "Colgan" kinda machine.
 
Florida_Flyer said:
I've never flown a Q400 but know guys that have. One guy told me he would fly some legs faster in the Q400 than an ERJ! Short climb to altitude and let rip while the RJ's still climbing. Cruises faster than any other prop. Approach speed won't be a problem. Fuel economy is awesome.

It doesn't seem to be a pilots plane though. Very awkard to handle without George, doing the flying. Landing it is a nightmare, way worse than even the 340, so I'm told. Doesn't fly anything like the other Dashes. They are also temperamental and hard to maintain. Not a "Colgan" kinda machine.
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Interesting info... I guess we'll see!

As for the speed issue to EWR, cruise, I think what he's getting at is that the Q400, unlike the saab, can easily cruise fast enough to not slow down a CRJ, even on a 30 mile approach. AND, like the saab, being a prop, it can decelerate in flight much better than a jet, so it can fly its approach faster too. Add that to the fact that it outclimbs the RJ's, and I don't think any RJ flyers are gonna be slowed down at all by the Q400 in EWR.
 
Cruise said:
Can we put this dead-horse in the ground yet?
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Haha yeah I just like to play devil's advocate :D

And I agree with Doug, the -200 certainly isn't a good fit either! It probably slows down everyone else more because we are up there with everyone else going 250 knots and >500 FPM climb :).

I wish we were getting Q400's. They look like some nice planes :).
 
Heath said:
Interesting info... I guess we'll see!

As for the speed issue to EWR, cruise, I think what he's getting at is that the Q400, unlike the saab, can easily cruise fast enough to not slow down a CRJ, even on a 30 mile approach. AND, like the saab, being a prop, it can decelerate in flight much better than a jet, so it can fly its approach faster too. Add that to the fact that it outclimbs the RJ's, and I don't think any RJ flyers are gonna be slowed down at all by the Q400 in EWR.
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:yeahthat: Exactly!

You did mean that's what I was saying, right?
 
I don't know. I'm kinda getting tired of the "speed" issue, too. Where exactly do you guys plan to start slowing, cause unless it's about a mile or two after the marker, the RJ can do that at 250 kts, too. Trust me, I've done it plenty of times. I've also gotten the "speed 170 kts until the marker" because of Mesaba in front of me, too.....
 
im not sure about the q, but the saab and beech can do it on a dime. I held 250 the other day into dulles until 3.5 miles out. Appr moved a UPS 757 from behind us over to the parallel becuase we were too slow for him. I was pulling into the gate when that dude hit the ground. IT was early, and there was no traffic. 99% of the time, everyone is in a friggin line anyhow, and 747 down to the 1900 hears" slow to 180, or slow to x speed." It's only on those rare days when it's quiet does it really matter anyhow :-)
 
250kts to 3.5! Impressive, but I hope you don't have a birdstrike at that speed. Now that would ruin your day big style.
 
A guy in my class was a former Q400 pilot. He liked it overall and mentioned that the props are kept at a low RPM throughout the entire approach in order to keep the noise down in the cabin. If you execute a missed approach/go-around the airplane will automatically set max prop RPM for you. Nice!
 
GaTechKid said:
He liked it overall and mentioned that the props are kept at a low RPM throughout the entire approach in order to keep the noise down in the cabin. If you execute a missed approach/go-around the airplane will automatically set max prop RPM for you. Nice!
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The newer ATR's actually do that too--it's pretty sweet, but it makes them land differently from the older ATR's that we used to land at 100% prop RPM. One would float, the other would drop out of the sky.
 
wheelsup said:
No offense, but we've been slowed down significantly 30+ miles out from airports when following Colgan's SAABs. Just because they can fly the last 5 miles faster doesn't mean they mesh well.

Another example - when I would fly with students to PHX in a Baron, we would routinely have 40-50 knot overtakes on AMF 99's on final. Does that mean the Baron meshed well? No, the 99 could outperform the Baron in every category.
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You're not flying the Baron fast enough, they mesh great! ;).
 
BobDDuck said:
How fast in a Q400 on final? Last I heard EWR banned props from coming in there. I doubt CAL would really want to slow down their operations there any more then they already are.
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apparently the prop thing isnt for real, just something someone said and everyone took as fact. As far as CAL is concerned a slot is a slot, and one that carries 76 people is more valuable than one that carries 50.

speed wont be an issue, im sure that thing can do 250 level. ny will slow you to 210 during vectors and over TEB you'll be doing 180 assigned until the marker.

what would really help them is if they can get approved for VFR ops off of 11/29 like the old coex ATR's. In that case newark tower would love them.
 
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