An Active USMC Officer to Airline Pilot Transition

Short and sweet.... Do what you dream about becoming. Although it has been challenging getting to the left seat at a major airline, there hasn't been a single second that I haven't been grateful for sticking to it. Having regrets in your later life is NOT what you want. Define your goal and then figure out the best way to get there.... and never quit!

Good luck.
 
Thanks for the suggestions. Most Air National Guard units take college GPA into consideration which will haunt me for the rest of my life. In addition, I'll have to take AFOQT and TBAS, which I need to study for. However, that is indeed an option.

I was strongly hoping for lateral transfer within the Corps or in the Navy due to they fact that I already passed their flight aptitude test (ASTB) and flight physical. Currently, I am saving for private pilot license and training myself mentally and physically on daily basis in order to be competitive for the field accession board.

We do take college GPA into consideration, comma but, it is more heavily considered for a non prior 22 year old kid than it would be a prior service Marine officer. There is not a reserve or guard squadron in the country that would pass on prior enlisted or officer because of a low GPA, it just wouldn't happen, we hire the whole person. The TBAS and AFOQT are NOT difficult at all. AFOQT you would only need to study for a week or two to get yourself up into the 90s. The tbas is just a hand eye coordination video game.

Hope for exactly what you want, work towards it, but have a bunch of plans in your back pocket as well, guard/reserve could in reality be one of those plans from where you currently are in life.

I would be happy to answer any further questions about USAF Guard and Reserve, @///AMG shacked Dept of the Navy from what I read. My only additional thought is in the Navy/Marines you have a very strong chance of rotary wing for advanced/the fleet after primary, make sure this is something you are ok with if you if you choose to go that path. Especially if your long term goal is fixed wing major airline pilot, most airlines, even regionals do not accept rotary time when it comes to hiring.
 
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My only additional thought is in the Navy/Marines you have a very strong chance of rotary wing for advanced/the fleet after primary, make sure this is something you are ok with if you if you choose to go that path. Especially if your long term goal is fixed wing major airline pilot, most airlines, even regionals do not accept rotary time when it comes to hiring.

+1 I don't remember the figure exactly now, but something over a third of our pilots are helo dudes/gals if that matters at all to you (which it might if commercial F/W is your ultimate goal). Obviously Army would almost definitely be RW.
 
It's been almost a year since the last time I was on this forum but I just wanted to give you all a brief update. I will be applying for lateral transfer next year. In the meantime, I did some research on Army WOFT program (warrant officer flight training) and I became highly interested in applying for the program. Unfortunately, I won't be able to apply for WOFT until I'm out of the Corps in 2018. Again, all I want to do is fly for the military regardless of my rank (I understand that I'm actually taking a demotion if I choose WOFT route). I will be starting my flight training to get my PPL in about two weeks. If anyone has any input or advice on WOFT, I'd be more than happy hear them. Thank you for your time.
 
Are you looking at active or guard/reserve? I'm not sure if they might be willing to set up your flight school slot based upon your release date. I know many Army helo pilots transfer to the Coast Guard and are able to go through the application process while still on active duty. I'm pretty sure when they do the transfer the muster out of the Army one day and are sworn into the Coast Guard the next day. Granted, flight school is not involved. Try talking to different recruiters to make sure this is the case. Granted, 2018 is kind of far out. Also look into the possibility of getting an early release from the Marines if you go into another service. Sometimes during draw downs this will occur. In the early 90's the Navy was offering pilots straight out of flight school releases from active duty. A few years later they were so short pilots and the Army was overstrength pilots that a deal was worked out- Army lieutenants with out advanced airframe qualifications were offered early releases if they went to Navy flight school.
My assumption is that the Army will appoint you directly as either a WO1 or CW2. At least that is what they do for Army officers who "revert". No basic training or WOCS (Warrent Officer Candidate School).
Army flight school is not a big deal. Do the homework and you should be fine.
 
I am currently an active duty Marine Corps Communications Officer, 25, and married with two kids. I was unable to join with an air contract due to my flight physical delay, however I will be putting in a package for lateral transfer (field accession board) next year to fly for the corps. The selection rate is about 10% and it is very competitive. Therefore, I am thinking about utilizing the GI Bill to get my ratings and working my way up to become an airline pilot once I am done serving in 2018. I understand that income/finance might be a major issue as a family man while trying to obtain my ratings/hours. Even if I do make it to the regional level, the starting salary is around 20k which is a major pay cut from my current pay. I did solo (around the traffic pattern) in a Cessna-172 back in 2006 when I was still in high school but that's the only experience I have.
Here is my ultimate question. Should I continue to pursue the aviation career (more like a dream) by utilizing the GI Bill after I'm done serving in the corps or should I utilize the GI Bill elsewhere such as my masters and fly recreationally? My major concern is my family. In addition, I am eligible for Hazelwood Act (educational benefit granted by the state of Texas) since I commissioned from Texas. I do have a BBA in international business management from UTSA and am fluent in Japanese. Any input/suggestion will be highly appreciated.

With any career you are going to have to start at lower pay and work your way up. As you know, first year pay at the regional airlines, is horrible. But it's only one year. The pay improves after that, and by the time you make Captain you're earning some good money.

To me, money is not the primary concern. It's the family separation. As an airline pilot you can expect to spend three or 4 nights a week away from home. Is that something you really want to do for a flying career?

My suggestion is to take some time and explore other flying careers besides the airlines. THen you can make an informed decision.
 
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Are you looking at active or guard/reserve? I'm not sure if they might be willing to set up your flight school slot based upon your release date. I know many Army helo pilots transfer to the Coast Guard and are able to go through the application process while still on active duty. I'm pretty sure when they do the transfer the muster out of the Army one day and are sworn into the Coast Guard the next day. Granted, flight school is not involved. Try talking to different recruiters to make sure this is the case. Granted, 2018 is kind of far out. Also look into the possibility of getting an early release from the Marines if you go into another service. Sometimes during draw downs this will occur. In the early 90's the Navy was offering pilots straight out of flight school releases from active duty. A few years later they were so short pilots and the Army was overstrength pilots that a deal was worked out- Army lieutenants with out advanced airframe qualifications were offered early releases if they went to Navy flight school.
My assumption is that the Army will appoint you directly as either a WO1 or CW2. At least that is what they do for Army officers who "revert". No basic training or WOCS (Warrent Officer Candidate School).
Army flight school is not a big deal. Do the homework and you should be fine.

I am looking to apply for active duty WOFT. I will be 29 in 2018 so I will be still within the age limit (33). I have looked into early release programs but the Corps currently doesn't offer one for officers.
 
I am looking to apply for active duty WOFT. I will be 29 in 2018 so I will be still within the age limit (33). I have looked into early release programs but the Corps currently doesn't offer one for officers.

Again my question is, how will flying helicopters in the Army help you become a pilot at a major airline?
 
Again my question is, how will flying helicopters in the Army help you become a pilot at a major airline?

If nothing else, it is a decent way to be paid well to build the TT column. Heck, I've known career Flight Officers/WSO's to go on to fly as CA's for the majors. It was a bit more convoluted for them than it would be for some of the rest of us (Army WO included), but they made it work. As far as I know, it should still count both as TT, turbine, as well as probably a decent chunk of PIC. I totally agree that if a guy just wants to get out and fly for the airlines, USAF heavies or USN patrol/TACAMO are probably the way to go, but the rest of us can find ways to get into the show as well with a little extra legwork, and most importantly, networking. There is a strong military network in the reserves/ANG that I've seen hook a lot of guys up at the majors on day one of being a civilian. So I'd think that could be another benefit, provided he meets the right people along the way. Just my .02.....don't disagree with your statement, just that there are a lot of caveats, what if's, and lesser known paths taken to the goal of flying for the majors (one which I personally do not share).
 
Again my question is, how will flying helicopters in the Army help you become a pilot at a major airline?

Becoming an airline pilot is a long term goal. My short term goal is to become a military pilot which is within reach. I do realize that rotory hours don't carry over well for airlines but at this point, I will be beyond satisfied as long as I get to fly for living.
 
I think I finally found someone whose career path to Part 121 captain is as convoluted as mine.

I'm retired ARNG (signal officer) who started as a flight attendant and flew on the side using Montgomery GI Bill benefits to pay for part of it. I'm also a medical reject from AF UPT via the ANG. I was too stubborn (or too stupid?) to give it up.

I flew on days off from my flight attendant job, and through the ARNG, joined the flying club at Quantico. They had many retired military IPs and I worked with one for a couple of years. It was good training.

My concern is for you and your family. You're asking a lot from them. If you pursue the commercial career, are you willing to move to your new domicile or commute? Commuting is a huge waste of time and takes more time away from your family. Don't commute unless you have a VERY good reason for it. I've commuted before. Once was short term because my wife was pregnant. We waited until our youngest was born, then we moved. I recently walked away from a captain upgrade because it involved a commute to ORD and I just didn't want to commute to ORD again. Now, I'm based 45 miles from home and just upgraded.

When you apply for WOFT, will you do so through the ARNG/USAR or AD? Networking opportunities are numerous in the ARNG and USAR.

At many regional carriers, rotary wing time is considered toward total time. When it comes time to get your ATP, some of your RW time will count, but not all of it. I flew with several RW pilots when I was a captain at Comair. I wouldn't hesitate to fly with any of them again.

Good luck, Marine!
 
I've flown with lots of captains who were former military rotary wing. I don't think it makes much of a difference. It seems like the airlines like veterans, bonus points for officers, and more bonus points for flight experience. So right away, you're at an advantage over other candidates when you finally decide to go to the airlines... Depending on what the job market is doing of course.
 
I was in your shoes 20 yrs ago. The short answer to a long story is that in my day field accession boards were few and I was a Major before my first (and only) opportunity arrived. Granted, I was an NFO and the move to being a pilot would have been back to my original community, so the lat move would have been less dramatic than moving from the 06 community. However, I realized that had I been selected, the move would have killed me for promotion for many of the reasons that AMG pointed out, but I was willing to accept that. Without the accession board, I followed a plan similar to what you've outlined to get my civilian ratings and acquire the needed flight experience through instructing and recreational flying so I could qualify for the airlines in my post-Corps career.

Now, I have all the ratings and hours to be competitive, but I chose not to pursue the airlines for quality of life reasons. Instead of flying professionally, I use the skills I acquired as an officer to work for an awesome small company with very flexible hours and great pay. I recently purchased a T-6 that I fly recreationally and I'm building an airplane in my basement, both of which are life-long goals that would not be achievable at this stage in my life had I gone to the airlines.

This was a long, long decision for me with lots of input from others who are flying for a living and not flying for a living. Most of my squadronmate pilots fly for the airlines, and most of the NFOs work in corporate America. Several of the pilots were furloughed post 9-11 and opted for alternate careers during the down time. About half of them decided not to answer the recall when they eventually were called back. Many of the CFIs that I worked with over the years have made the transition to the regional or corporate world. Also, a lot of the discussion on this forum helped me shape my decision.

In the end, my decision came down to quality of life. I wanted to work somewhere that valued me, not somewhere that I thought management was out to screw me. I wanted to be a valued member of a team and make a valuable contribution to society and enjoy the work I did. In considering my options, I'm not sure I'd ever have the QOL in the airlines that corporate America offered me on day 1. Although my pay and schedule at the airlines might catch up in 10-15 yrs, I'd never make so much or have such a great schedule to recover the lost wages and time in comparison to corporate America. Pursuing my life's aviation goals was more important than earning a paycheck as a pilot.

YMMV
 
I just wanted to inform you all that I was finally selected to fly for a C-130 unit in the Air Force Reserve. I was 26 years old when I first began this thread back in 2014, and now I am 30 years old. Since then, I obtained my private pilot license and actively sought opportunities to fly for other branches while serving as a Marine Officer. At one point, I was selected to attend a state aviation board for the California Army National Guard to become an Aviation Warrant Officer, however I turned down the offer when I found out that I still had a chance to fly for the Air Force. I am just extremely thankful for the support that I received from many kind individuals on this forum - thank you. Please let me know if you know of anyone who needs help - I went through the process for just about every branch and am familiar with the application process (except for Coast Guard).

Semper Fi
 
That’s great dude! Welcome back!

The great thing about mil aviators, is that you’re eligible for the R-ATP at 750 hours. Others on here can shed light on it, but you have a great “in” at the airline level now without having to put up with as much BS.

Id save the GI bill for the kids. A grad degree and $2.25 at Starbucks gets you a cup of coffee. (The one with the grad degree gets you the coffee,,,)
 
That’s great dude! Welcome back!

The great thing about mil aviators, is that you’re eligible for the R-ATP at 750 hours. Others on here can shed light on it, but you have a great “in” at the airline level now without having to put up with as much BS.

Id save the GI bill for the kids. A grad degree and $2.25 at Starbucks gets you a cup of coffee. (The one with the grad degree gets you the coffee,,,)

I am still debating whether I want to pursue the airline or ART/AGR (full time reservist) route, but I believe R-ATP at 750hrs is a great gig for mil aviators. I just hope turboprop time carries as much weight as turbojet when I apply to airlines in the future. And yes, I am planning on saving the GI bill for the kids, however I am not sure how that works when I transition from active duty to reserve. I will still need to do some digging on this.
 
I am still debating whether I want to pursue the airline or ART/AGR (full time reservist) route, but I believe R-ATP at 750hrs is a great gig for mil aviators. I just hope turboprop time carries as much weight as turbojet when I apply to airlines in the future. And yes, I am planning on saving the GI bill for the kids, however I am not sure how that works when I transition from active duty to reserve. I will still need to do some digging on this.

If rotor time is counting for what it does these days I don’t think you need to worry about turboprop, particular for that weight class.

Got a buddy who walked from a C-12 to a mainline. You’ll be fine.
 
I just wanted to inform you all that I was finally selected to fly for a C-130 unit in the Air Force Reserve. I was 26 years old when I first began this thread back in 2014, and now I am 30 years old. Since then, I obtained my private pilot license and actively sought opportunities to fly for other branches while serving as a Marine Officer. At one point, I was selected to attend a state aviation board for the California Army National Guard to become an Aviation Warrant Officer, however I turned down the offer when I found out that I still had a chance to fly for the Air Force. I am just extremely thankful for the support that I received from many kind individuals on this forum - thank you. Please let me know if you know of anyone who needs help - I went through the process for just about every branch and am familiar with the application process (except for Coast Guard).

Semper Fi

Congrats, glad you stuck with it, you're in for a great ride.
 
Using an average speed of fifty miles per hour, Pappas (2019)
I am still debating whether I want to pursue the airline or ART/AGR (full time reservist) route, but I believe R-ATP at 750hrs is a great gig for mil aviators. I just hope turboprop time carries as much weight as turbojet when I apply to airlines in the future. And yes, I am planning on saving the GI bill for the kids, however I am not sure how that works when I transition from active duty to reserve. I will still need to do some digging on this.

As long as you had 4 years AD, you’ll get 100% on the GI Bill. You shouldn’t have any problems transferring it since you’ll have a bit of time left in the ANG/USAFR. Also, I think Guard units have a pretty sweet TA deal. You can probably get a Master’s for free without touching the GI Bill. As for turboprop time, don’t worry. Lots of P-3/C-130 guys going direct to every major airline out there. I’d plan on getting through training, get to your 750 to get on with a regional, then use the Guard to hopefully do some fun missions, but also to build the PIC time when you’re qual’d and to make a little better coin. Congrats! I’m glad you kept pursuing this path beyond the USMC. You’ll have a blast doing this!

TW
 
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