Amerijet On Strike!

[gliderboy]

"Where'd you copy that from?"

There's a lot of information on the Net about all this. I find the topic interesting because many pro-union pilots are also at the right end of the political spectrum (capitalists), while union movements have traditionally been at the left end of the political spectrum (communists/socialists). After all, the communist rallying cry has always been: "Workers of the world unite!"
Perhaps much of the anger and emotion associated with this topic is the result of this ideological conflict. You know, something about trying to hold two contradictory ideas in one's head at the same time.

Not taking sides here, it is just interesting.

 

[MikeD]

No worries. Just be prepared to see your name on a list for the rest of your life if you fly their struck freight. The choice is yours.

Shouldn't that be knowingly flying their struck freight? Because if it were otherwise, that would be a load of BS to me. Knowingly/willingly is one thing, if pilot doesn't even know what's loaded because it's been marked/wrapped/packaged differently or additionally, he/she shouldn't be held accountable for that. The individual contract pilot can't control dirty tricks that AJ management may attempt to play in trying to get their freight through.

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

Shouldn't that be knowingly flying their struck freight? Because if it were otherwise, that would be a load of BS to me. Knowingly/willingly is one thing, if pilot doesn't even know what's loaded because it's been marked/wrapped/packaged differently or additionally, he/she shouldn't be held accountable for that. The individual contract pilot can't control dirty tricks that AJ management may attempt to play in trying to get their freight through.

It's up to the Amerijet leadership to decide, but I would assume that they would only enforce it if the pilot was reasonably expected to know that the freight was struck work.

 

[MikeD]

It's up to the Amerijet leadership to decide, but I would assume that they would only enforce it if the pilot was reasonably expected to know that the freight was struck work.

Which is reasonable to me. I just wouldn't put it past AJ management to try and "sneak" freight through the system in order to try and do some business. I agree, if one knowingly flies struck work, you're done. That's a clean kill vis-s-vis scabbing. This particular strike does have some extenuating areas, it seems, that would need to be judged at some point what side of the line they fall on, IMHO.

 

[Baradium]

I am not Anti Union, I would not scab for any airline and I will do my best to not fly struck freight. I wish my airline had a union so that I could refuse the struck freight. Being an FO with no union leaves me little authority to really do anything short of refusing to fly which would get me fired. I am sorry you guys feel that is wrong but I have bigger things to think about than playing hero for someone else and losing my job over it.

So you won't fly struck work unless it means you'll use your job, right?

Be really careful here. Is this current job worth being on the scab list?


On this stuff it doesn't matter which seat you sit if it's struck work.

If you don't know, then you don't know... it's if you ignore it and do it knowingly or try to take steps to not know.

 

[minitour]

Llllllllllllllllllllllllllets get ready to rumblllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllle...

-mini

 

[Firebird2XC]

"A Strike Made Simple"

"A Strike Made Simple"

....using references from the movie "300".

When you go on strike, you're pissed off and are defending what's rightfully yours.

That makes you this guy.

You and your homies will try to defend your stance by halting management's efforts to screw you.

When you're management during a strike, that makes you this guy.

This means you'll sell snake oil, and do all kinds of unsavory things to make the guys on strike fold or give up.

When you scab a strike, that makes you this guy.

... and basically, nobody wants you, except for the management guy, who will use you to screw the guys on strike. Later, when you're forced to face the guys who you scabbed against, you won't be able to look them in the eye.

You'll be like that for the rest of your sad little life.

Questions?

 

[minitour]

Re: "A Strike Made Simple"

Questions?

That was pretty good. Can you do one of A League of Their Own? I've never seen 300.

-mini

 

[surreal1221]

Re: "A Strike Made Simple"

Actually, Lord of the Rings please.

 

[minitour]

Major League.

...even I could do one for Major League, but I'm way too effin lazy.

-mini

 

[Socal321]

I am not Anti Union, I would not scab for any airline and I will do my best to not fly struck freight. I wish my airline had a union so that I could refuse the struck freight. Being an FO with no union leaves me little authority to really do anything short of refusing to fly which would get me fired. I am sorry you guys feel that is wrong but I have bigger things to think about than playing hero for someone else and losing my job over it.

I wouldn't worry about it. Amerijet probably has more cargo to move than a SAAB could handle. If it's going to be a scab flight you will probably know, I'm sure the CAs will for sure. They can't fire the whole pilot group.

 

[Firebird2XC]

Re: "A Strike Made Simple"

That was pretty good. Can you do one of A League of Their Own? I've never seen 300.

-mini

'300' is, for reference, loosely based on a true story of Spartan warriors at the Battle of Thermopylae. About 300 dudes used terrain and superior tactics to suppress a hugely numerically superior enemy. The key? Nobody crosses their line. The ugly dude showed the baddies a way to flank the Spartans because the Spartans rejected him. The Spartans didn't deny him all roles, just the one he wanted.

Actually, Lord of the Rings please.

I'm not even sure how the angle would work there. Maybe the siege at the place with the wall? It's been theorized that the original books in the Rings series were based on the concepts in play during WWII.

Major League.
...even I could do one for Major League, but I'm way too effin lazy.
-mini

Too easy. It's not even that I'm lazy. It's just not even a challenge.

 

[minitour]

Re: "A Strike Made Simple"

'300' is, for reference, loosely based on a true story of Spartan warriors at the Battle of Thermopylae. About 300 dudes used terrain and superior tactics to suppress a hugely numerically superior enemy. The key? Nobody crosses their line. The ugly dude showed the baddies a way to flank the Spartans because the Spartans rejected him. The Spartans didn't deny him all roles, just the one he wanted.

I think I've seen bits and pieces while hanging out in hotels...good movie?

-mini

 

[scooter2525]

Re: "A Strike Made Simple"

I think I've seen bits and pieces while hanging out in hotels...good movie?

-mini

depends on what you like. its an interesting one.

 

[minitour]

Re: "A Strike Made Simple"

depends on what you like. its an interesting one.

When I watch TV I like to be entertained. Springer was on today and I watched that for 2 hours. Probably the most entertaining thing I've seen in quite a while.

-mini

 

[scooter2525]

Re: "A Strike Made Simple"

When I watch TV I like to be entertained. Springer was on today and I watched that for 2 hours. Probably the most entertaining thing I've seen in quite a while.

-mini

thats sad. cheap entertainment... sigh. You'll like 300. When you coming out this way?

 

[minitour]

Re: "A Strike Made Simple"

thats sad. cheap entertainment... sigh. You'll like 300. When you coming out this way?

Who knows? After our little uh...."incident" the other day (with a broker, not an actual "incident"), our schedule got kinda tossed around a bit. I was supposed to be headed out that way and was hoping to get some In-N-Out, but that's probably not exactly good for me.

-mini

 

[scooter2525]

Re: "A Strike Made Simple"

Who knows? After our little uh...."incident" the other day (with a broker, not an actual "incident"), our schedule got kinda tossed around a bit. I was supposed to be headed out that way and was hoping to get some In-N-Out, but that's probably not exactly good for me.

-mini

hmm. keep me posted. i haven't had my double double since thursday. Canada, eh doesn't have anything like that.

/thread drift.

So I've been following this since thursday and am wondering if anyone has heard if anything new has been brought to the table?

 

[nbv4]

So you won't fly struck work unless it means you'll use your job, right?

Be really careful here. Is this current job worth being on the scab list?


On this stuff it doesn't matter which seat you sit if it's struck work.

If you don't know, then you don't know... it's if you ignore it and do it knowingly or try to take steps to not know.

If Amerijet calls my company up and says "Hey whats up we have a bunch of freight sitting on the ramp here that can't be flown by us, could you send one of your planes over here to deliver it for us?", as long as the price is right, they're going to say "Sure thing!" They aren't going to give a crap about who is striking. I have a hard time believing any company would turn down quite a large bit of business (especially in this industry) over something silly as this unwritten notion that no one should do business with a company being struck against.

So if my company takes the bid I have two choices. I either do the flying and be put on the scab list which ends my career, or I quit/get fired and spend the rest of the next 5 years on unemployment. It's lose/lose. I don't even know who these Amerijet people even are, but they're causing me to lose my job. For all I know they could be striking over not getting a new snack machine in their break room or something. Is there anyone out there who thinks this is fair?

 

[Bigey]

If Amerijet calls my company up and says "Hey whats up we have a bunch of freight sitting on the ramp here that can't be flown by us, could you send one of your planes over here to deliver it for us?", as long as the price is right, they're going to say "Sure thing!" They aren't going to give a crap about who is striking. I have a hard time believing any company would turn down quite a large bit of business (especially in this industry) over something silly as this unwritten notion that no one should do business with a company being struck against.

So if my company takes the bid I have two choices. I either do the flying and be put on the scab list which ends my career, or I quit/get fired and spend the rest of the next 5 years on unemployment. It's lose/lose. I don't even know who these Amerijet people even are, but they're causing me to lose my job. For all I know they could be striking over not getting a new snack machine in their break room or something. Is there anyone out there who thinks this is fair?

The idea may seem fair, but you knew getting into this industry that it's a mainly unionized field. I agree it's a lose, lose situation, but if EVERYONE sticks together, they wont fire their entire staff. It's you can either put up with the consequences now and try to make a better tomorrow, or continue letting companies get away with this which has a way trickling down to other companies.

You have to look at the field in a broader picture. Sometimes you gotta take 1 step back to go 2 forward.