scooter2525
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It's sad to watch a grown man cry when he doesn't get to fly the hundo. :bandit:
Ameriflight??
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It's sad to watch a grown man cry when he doesn't get to fly the hundo. :bandit:
tinman
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It is.
I was kicked out already than reinstated in Aug. But Ive seen how AMF takes care of there pilots. Have possible 2 jobs lined up in case with one makin twice as much now.
HARRY POTTER
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do you have a reference for this or are you just saying your opinion.
I'd really rather not drop 400 dollars to end up remaining unemployed for another year. Does anyone know if Ameriflight's checkout flight can count as a BFR?
SIUav8er
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you are not going to get hired for any flying job (that includes instructing) if you dont have a valid medical and current flight review.
HARRY POTTER
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I started my instructing job without a medical. It expired 2 weeks before I started. They just told me I need to get one asap before I started. Also, I know for a fact that at my last job they hired a SIC that was (somewhat recently) out of BFR but they hired him anyways because the sic checkout counted as a BFR. This was in 2007 and 2008 respectively, but still, it happens.
I'm not against getting a BFR, I just don't want to get one until my employment is secured. I want to know if Ameriflight will let me wait to get that stuff taken care of until I've passed the whole interview process...
scooter2525
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Having a few hours in the logbook recently shows a little more effort to being on your A game then nothing for the past year. To an interviewer, you don't want to leave an impression that your doing the bare minimum and are leaving it up to the company to bring you "up to speed". Gives the training department one more thing to work on.
EatSleepFly
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You're putting the cart before the horse for one thing, but to answer your question, probably not.
Straight from their website:
Secondly, if you aren't very IFR proficient, and at least somewhat multi proficient, you're wasting your time. They aren't a flight school.
ftyflyboy
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The world is a far different place now than in 07'-08'. You've got to be prepared to fly somewhat fast, complex airplanes with minmal equipment in crap weather, by yourself.
You've got to be a troll, also....
HARRY POTTER
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I see what you're saying, but one hour flight and one hour ground doesn't say much. In my experience, flying is a little like riding a bike once you get about a thousand hours. Maybe 200 hour pilots need to knock a lot of rust off after going some time without flying, but higher time pilots, not so much. Or maybe if you haven't flown in 30 years... Being out of currency as per the regulations doesn't mean all of your flying skills magically go out the window. A lot of pilots (including myself) would love to go flying once a week to "show effort to be on my A game" but unemployment doesn't pay enough to be able to do that.
I'm just wondering if anyone has any first hand info about Ameriflight's hiring practice's regarding out of current medicals and out of current BFRs... All companies officially say you need to be current on they're website, but I've seen it first hand that some are more relaxed with it.
edit: It's kind of like going out and buying a 737 type rating and then interviewing at Southwest, only to get rejected. Now you're stuck with a 737 type rating that you'll never use. You do the interview first, then if they like you, they offer you employment on the condition that you get the type rating within X amount of weeks. At least thats how they used to do it. The same thing here, except much smaller scale. Ameriflight is just about the only shot I and a lot of other people have at getting a job for a while, so I'm not too crazy about spending money I don't really have just to get something that's only use for me is to check a box on an application form.
aloft
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I'd say a current medical is probably a necessity; a BFR less so if it lapsed recently, as I'm pretty sure the 135 PIC check will satisfy as your renewal.
jtrain609
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Pay attention to the bolded part. Even if you somehow managed to get the job at Amflight without being current, showing up to training without being not just current, but fairly proficient at instrument flying fundamentals will get you washed out of the training program faster than you can believe.
Boris Badenov
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My 135 checkride at FLX served as my BFR. I hadn't touched a plane in almost two years, let alone gotten a BFR. That said, 1) It was 2005, 2) A 210 is not a Chieftan, and 3) I was pretty close to overwhelmed.
Even assuming they would allow it, I would not recommend it. But it's not completely unheard of.
Even assuming they would allow it, I would not recommend it. But it's not completely unheard of.
Give me a reason why they would hire you over the 50 other guys that made the effort to get current AND proficient and have a current medical? Why would they take the risk on you if you can't even legally fly?
If they were desperate (they will be someday with the way they treat their pilots) then you might have a chance. These days with the attitude you have you'll have a tough time getting a job from even a fairly crappy operator.
HARRY POTTER
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Theres two types of currency, they way I see it. Legal currency, and practical currency. You can be legal as per the FARs, yet still not be able to pass the initial training at any given company. You can also not be current yet still be able to pass the company training program. Every company under the sun wants their pilots to be practically current. In my experience, not every company cares too much about legal currency but they all care about practical currency.
When I was doing BFR's back when I was a practicing CFI, the trend I noticed was higher time pilots had a much better time dealing with being away from flying much better than lower time pilots. I would do a BFR for a 300 hour guy who hadn't flown in 3 weeks and he'd struggle a lot more than a 2000 hour guy who hadn't flown in 18 months. I feel my own experience follows that. But thats a whole other thread...
If I were hiring, I wouldn't care one bit whether the applicant was legally current. Especially if the final checkride counted as a BFR. All it takes is a wad of money, and a free day to knock off a BFR. Doing a glorified one hour lesson with a CFI is not likely going to increase you ability to have any real effect on your flying skills during the interview/training process. Maybe if the BFR was in a Navajo and it lasted 10 hours instead of just one... But not a one hour flight in a C-172 or whatever. If you're at the level of part 135 mins and you require a one hour BFR flight to regain even just a little bit of basic flying ability, then IMO you have problems...
If getting BFR's and medical exams were free, or if I were a billionaire, then we wouldn't even be having this discussion right now. If it were the case, I'd go flying every day. I'd rent a Navajo right now and fly it every day until I get a call from Ameriflight. I think familiarity with a specific aircraft goes much further than legal currency, IMO. But thats another discussion for another thread.
If I had to make a choice (which is kind of the case here) between eating, or doing a glorified one hour lesson in a C-172, I'm choosing food.
That's great and all but you do realize the people you are disagreeing with are either working there, have worked there, or are working in some place much better than Ameriflight. I would take their advice, maybe even be friendly with them and you never know maybe your incredibly qualified without currency resume might be walked in. I doubt however anyone would take a chance on their reputation for someone not willing to make the effort of a BFR.
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