Ameriflight

You can come over to Wiggins. It is now Ameriflight owned. The deal was final on Dec. 4th and the money transferred. They will stay separate certificates from what we have heard from the FAA.
 
Little late into this thread here, but I had a question about Ameriflight that wasn't really answered at our press meetings up here.. Does AMF have an SOC for their flight followers? Or are they planning on building one...? Information on that stuff wasn't really clear when they came in to talk at us.
 
There's no formal SOC, but there's a plan in place. As of now, most bases have a few dispatches, however some bases outsource dispatch to other bases.
 
I know in Manchvegas, the flight following operation will remain in place but I didn't know if there was an east, midwest, southern, western, etc regional operation going on.

Figured I'd ask.

Looking forward to seeing the oldest 99s off the line get a new life.
 
Swedican said:
Define "mess"
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mess
mes/
noun
  1. 1.
    a dirty or untidy state of things or of a place.
    "she made a mess of the kitchen"
    synonyms: untidiness, disorder, disarray, clutter, shambles, jumble, muddle,chaos
    "please clear up the mess"








  2. 2.
    a situation or state of affairs that is confused or full of difficulties.
    "the economy is still in a terrible mess"
    synonyms: plight, predicament, tight spot/corner, difficulty, trouble, quandary,dilemma, problem, muddle, mix-up, imbroglio; More


verb
  1. 1.
    make untidy or dirty.
    "you've messed up my beautiful carpet"
    synonyms: dirty; More



  2. 2.
    take one's meals in a particular place or with a particular person, especially in an armed forces' mess.
    "I messed at first with Harry, who was to become a lifelong friend"
 
The metro is an awesome aircraft. One of the funnest aircraft I have ever flown. It is a handful at times, but once you learn the quirks she is a great airframe. Additionally, you were rewarded with routine greased landings once you figured it out...however, many never have.

Anyone who says otherwise is either afraid of the plane or failed out of training.

When I was there the training dept was top notch. Those who failed out simply couldn't handle the workload safely while single pilot.
 
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AZflyboy said:
I only asked because I noticed people on this thread kept saying the metro is a mess and was a curious george.
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Just the panel for me. There are things placed in places that make you scratch your head. The reach over to the right side during electrical shenanigans can be "fun" as well.

That being said, it's my favorite plane so far. Yes, the ailerons are more for show, and it can get a bit "pitchy" with an aft CG, and you'll probably have more "issues" than most other airplanes, but that's what makes it fun.
 
UAL747400 said:
Just the panel for me. There are things placed in places that make you scratch your head. The reach over to the right side during electrical shenanigans can be "fun" as well.

That being said, it's my favorite plane so far. Yes, the ailerons are more for show, and it can get a bit "pitchy" with an aft CG, and you'll probably have more "issues" than most other airplanes, but that's what makes it fun.
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I honestly think the metro looks awesome and I hope I can pull a gig flying one soon!
 
AZflyboy said:
Curious...why is the metro "such a mess"?
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This sums it up nicely and whoever wrote it was a genius.


The Metro.
The cockpit was designed by a midget and anyone of even normal size is very uncomfortable in them. Especially if you
have long legs as the pedals are simply far too close to the seat so you have to bend your legs so far that it's
practically impossible to get your feet onto the pedals at anything like a comfortable angle.

Fortunately the brakes, although fitted, don't actually work; they are there for show only and to amuse the ground
engineers. So it's really not that important to get your feet where you would normally have them.

The control column was designed by a personal trainer, to improve your fitness by means of a continuous physical
workout whenever any movement at all is required as they forces needed to move any control surface is in the tens of
kilograms. If you can't benchpress two or three hundred kilograms, forget it.

Fortunately again, the engineers that designed the Metro had a sense of humour and made the ailerons so they don't
really work much. They will roll the aeroplane roughly as fast as an oil tanker can turn, but no faster.
While on the subject of controls, I must mention the rudder; like most small aeroplanes it also control the nosewheel
steering and this is where the Metro engineers must still be peeing their pants with laughter, with the nosewheel
system being the result of something like ten completely unrelated bits of machinery all incorporated to make the Metro
perform the complex tasks of .... left ..... and ...... right. The nosewheel system requires approximately two weeks to do
a complete systems test on the taxi out to the holding point and so many Metros must return to be refueled before
flight. Fortunately it works randomly but the aeroplane can be steered on the ground by means of futilely stabbing at
the brakes (I use the term loosely) and moving the power levers to vary the noise left to right.

Then there's the stall detection and Stall Avoidance System, which is designed to kick in just before landing; to do this,
it senses a completely normal airspeed in the landing configuration just before landing, and then activates the stick
pusher without warning, thus making the Metro land on the nosewheel and bounce down the runway.

Normally this would be uncomfortable for the passengers, if you are carrying any, but they are probably still
unconscious from the lack of pressuristation due to the Metro being fitted with door seals made from molten ear wax
and the bleed source a small 12 volt hair drier fitted to each engine. Even though the door seals may keep a tiny
fraction of the air in the cabin and they whistle a loud revelry to keep the passenges awake, they are often wearing
foam ear plugs to block the noise and are likely to be blacked out from the cabin being something like 1,000' below the
cruise altitude.

Fortunately, the Metro engineers had already considered the dual problems of trying to keep the passengers subdued
and also making the ailerons a mere amusement, so they gave the machine a tiny little thin wing that only works when
you are travelling along at many hundreds of knots. The wing is also very handy for smacking your head into, to remind
you how lucky you are to be in aviation .... in case you had forgotten.

Speaking of engines, again the Metro engineers excelled themselves by choosing engines that have the unique blend
of being complete and utter p***ks to start unless you have a nuclear power station plugged in (good forethought again
the ground power plug is often on the side of the nacelle near the prop, to help keep the ground crew cool as they
unplug you), they also make more noise than said nuclear power station blowing up, and they also take 1.2 weeks to
complete a start cycle. So at least when flying a Metro you develop the ability to think ahead. The propeller is also
capable of reverse pitch, and this is used to make more noise on landing with the noise reflecting on the airframe to
slow it to taxi speed.

Back to the cockpit. While it may seem great fun to blast around the skies in a semipressurised aircraft that can barely
be controlled assuming it'll start you can't actually see where you're going due to the windows being too small. To be
fair there's a largeish window on the side, but it often vibrates so much that nothing useful can be seen from it. This is
assuming you're lucky enough to be flying in warm weather, for in colder conditions that require window heat only the
window directly in front of each pilot has a tiny section of it heated, so if you thought you couldn't see much before you
will see even less now.

The various controls & instruments in the cockpit were strategically positioned by means of a very large shotgun and
many cases of beer I suspect. Fortunately, most of them don't read very accurately or indeed at all. A large number of
the switches were labelled by means of picking suitablesounding words from a brown paper bag. The radar is merely
a Nintendo Gameboy converted to black & white, yet still has the batteries removed so it doesn't work. Every internal
light is designed to illuminate dimly and also burn you if you foolishly fiddle with it to make it brighter.

If you do decide to go attempt to commit aviation in one, you first have to tackle the front door. It's hinged at the bottom
and has a single handle to open & close/lock it. Sounds simple, but again the trusty Metro engineers decided that the
door should be fitted with a totally reliable liftassist device that detects the strength of the person trying to operate it,
and if the person is weak then the door is scheduled to get no assistance at all, and viceversa. The chains fitted to
either side to stop the door from (mostly) plunging deep into the ground when opening are also designed to fall to the
side when closing the door to make it jam, with the bonus of also damaging the door seal. But the Metro engineers
weren't finished there, they decreed that even if you'd managed to lift the heavy door up and grow another arm or two
to get the chains out of the way, then it has just enough twist in it so it simply won't shut. Well some doors are
scheduled to only shut when slammed for the 3rd or 4th time with at least a grunt and swear word. It's then impossible
to visually sight if the door is close as the inspection ports for the door pins are made from cataracts extracted from the
eyes of old pilots. Fortunately it works nearly perfectly every single time you shut it from outside, though it must be a
member of the flight crew that shuts it, not any old person on the ground. Engineer humor again I suspect ....

I like the water/meth on takeoff.
Does that answer your question?
You've been warned...
 
Godzilla said:
This sums it up nicely and whoever wrote it was a genius.


The Metro.
The cockpit was designed by a midget and anyone of even normal size is very uncomfortable in them. Especially if you
have long legs as the pedals are simply far too close to the seat so you have to bend your legs so far that it's
practically impossible to get your feet onto the pedals at anything like a comfortable angle.

Fortunately the brakes, although fitted, don't actually work; they are there for show only and to amuse the ground
engineers. So it's really not that important to get your feet where you would normally have them.

The control column was designed by a personal trainer, to improve your fitness by means of a continuous physical
workout whenever any movement at all is required as they forces needed to move any control surface is in the tens of
kilograms. If you can't benchpress two or three hundred kilograms, forget it.

Fortunately again, the engineers that designed the Metro had a sense of humour and made the ailerons so they don't
really work much. They will roll the aeroplane roughly as fast as an oil tanker can turn, but no faster.
While on the subject of controls, I must mention the rudder; like most small aeroplanes it also control the nosewheel
steering and this is where the Metro engineers must still be peeing their pants with laughter, with the nosewheel
system being the result of something like ten completely unrelated bits of machinery all incorporated to make the Metro
perform the complex tasks of .... left ..... and ...... right. The nosewheel system requires approximately two weeks to do
a complete systems test on the taxi out to the holding point and so many Metros must return to be refueled before
flight. Fortunately it works randomly but the aeroplane can be steered on the ground by means of futilely stabbing at
the brakes (I use the term loosely) and moving the power levers to vary the noise left to right.

Then there's the stall detection and Stall Avoidance System, which is designed to kick in just before landing; to do this,
it senses a completely normal airspeed in the landing configuration just before landing, and then activates the stick
pusher without warning, thus making the Metro land on the nosewheel and bounce down the runway.

Normally this would be uncomfortable for the passengers, if you are carrying any, but they are probably still
unconscious from the lack of pressuristation due to the Metro being fitted with door seals made from molten ear wax
and the bleed source a small 12 volt hair drier fitted to each engine. Even though the door seals may keep a tiny
fraction of the air in the cabin and they whistle a loud revelry to keep the passenges awake, they are often wearing
foam ear plugs to block the noise and are likely to be blacked out from the cabin being something like 1,000' below the
cruise altitude.

Fortunately, the Metro engineers had already considered the dual problems of trying to keep the passengers subdued
and also making the ailerons a mere amusement, so they gave the machine a tiny little thin wing that only works when
you are travelling along at many hundreds of knots. The wing is also very handy for smacking your head into, to remind
you how lucky you are to be in aviation .... in case you had forgotten.

Speaking of engines, again the Metro engineers excelled themselves by choosing engines that have the unique blend
of being complete and utter p***ks to start unless you have a nuclear power station plugged in (good forethought again
the ground power plug is often on the side of the nacelle near the prop, to help keep the ground crew cool as they
unplug you), they also make more noise than said nuclear power station blowing up, and they also take 1.2 weeks to
complete a start cycle. So at least when flying a Metro you develop the ability to think ahead. The propeller is also
capable of reverse pitch, and this is used to make more noise on landing with the noise reflecting on the airframe to
slow it to taxi speed.

Back to the cockpit. While it may seem great fun to blast around the skies in a semipressurised aircraft that can barely
be controlled assuming it'll start you can't actually see where you're going due to the windows being too small. To be
fair there's a largeish window on the side, but it often vibrates so much that nothing useful can be seen from it. This is
assuming you're lucky enough to be flying in warm weather, for in colder conditions that require window heat only the
window directly in front of each pilot has a tiny section of it heated, so if you thought you couldn't see much before you
will see even less now.

The various controls & instruments in the cockpit were strategically positioned by means of a very large shotgun and
many cases of beer I suspect. Fortunately, most of them don't read very accurately or indeed at all. A large number of
the switches were labelled by means of picking suitablesounding words from a brown paper bag. The radar is merely
a Nintendo Gameboy converted to black & white, yet still has the batteries removed so it doesn't work. Every internal
light is designed to illuminate dimly and also burn you if you foolishly fiddle with it to make it brighter.

If you do decide to go attempt to commit aviation in one, you first have to tackle the front door. It's hinged at the bottom
and has a single handle to open & close/lock it. Sounds simple, but again the trusty Metro engineers decided that the
door should be fitted with a totally reliable liftassist device that detects the strength of the person trying to operate it,
and if the person is weak then the door is scheduled to get no assistance at all, and viceversa. The chains fitted to
either side to stop the door from (mostly) plunging deep into the ground when opening are also designed to fall to the
side when closing the door to make it jam, with the bonus of also damaging the door seal. But the Metro engineers
weren't finished there, they decreed that even if you'd managed to lift the heavy door up and grow another arm or two
to get the chains out of the way, then it has just enough twist in it so it simply won't shut. Well some doors are
scheduled to only shut when slammed for the 3rd or 4th time with at least a grunt and swear word. It's then impossible
to visually sight if the door is close as the inspection ports for the door pins are made from cataracts extracted from the
eyes of old pilots. Fortunately it works nearly perfectly every single time you shut it from outside, though it must be a
member of the flight crew that shuts it, not any old person on the ground. Engineer humor again I suspect ....

I like the water/meth on takeoff.
Does that answer your question?
You've been warned...
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Oh boy... and I wanted to fly that bird... haha. Well that definitely makes sense now I appreciate that! Maybe i'll have to work on my swear words if I do reconsider
 
Godzilla said:
This sums it up nicely and whoever wrote it was a genius.


The Metro.
The cockpit was designed by a midget and anyone of even normal size is very uncomfortable in them. Especially if you
have long legs as the pedals are simply far too close to the seat so you have to bend your legs so far that it's
practically impossible to get your feet onto the pedals at anything like a comfortable angle.

Fortunately the brakes, although fitted, don't actually work; they are there for show only and to amuse the ground
engineers. So it's really not that important to get your feet where you would normally have them.

The control column was designed by a personal trainer, to improve your fitness by means of a continuous physical
workout whenever any movement at all is required as they forces needed to move any control surface is in the tens of
kilograms. If you can't benchpress two or three hundred kilograms, forget it.

Fortunately again, the engineers that designed the Metro had a sense of humour and made the ailerons so they don't
really work much. They will roll the aeroplane roughly as fast as an oil tanker can turn, but no faster.
While on the subject of controls, I must mention the rudder; like most small aeroplanes it also control the nosewheel
steering and this is where the Metro engineers must still be peeing their pants with laughter, with the nosewheel
system being the result of something like ten completely unrelated bits of machinery all incorporated to make the Metro
perform the complex tasks of .... left ..... and ...... right. The nosewheel system requires approximately two weeks to do
a complete systems test on the taxi out to the holding point and so many Metros must return to be refueled before
flight. Fortunately it works randomly but the aeroplane can be steered on the ground by means of futilely stabbing at
the brakes (I use the term loosely) and moving the power levers to vary the noise left to right.

Then there's the stall detection and Stall Avoidance System, which is designed to kick in just before landing; to do this,
it senses a completely normal airspeed in the landing configuration just before landing, and then activates the stick
pusher without warning, thus making the Metro land on the nosewheel and bounce down the runway.

Normally this would be uncomfortable for the passengers, if you are carrying any, but they are probably still
unconscious from the lack of pressuristation due to the Metro being fitted with door seals made from molten ear wax
and the bleed source a small 12 volt hair drier fitted to each engine. Even though the door seals may keep a tiny
fraction of the air in the cabin and they whistle a loud revelry to keep the passenges awake, they are often wearing
foam ear plugs to block the noise and are likely to be blacked out from the cabin being something like 1,000' below the
cruise altitude.

Fortunately, the Metro engineers had already considered the dual problems of trying to keep the passengers subdued
and also making the ailerons a mere amusement, so they gave the machine a tiny little thin wing that only works when
you are travelling along at many hundreds of knots. The wing is also very handy for smacking your head into, to remind
you how lucky you are to be in aviation .... in case you had forgotten.

Speaking of engines, again the Metro engineers excelled themselves by choosing engines that have the unique blend
of being complete and utter p***ks to start unless you have a nuclear power station plugged in (good forethought again
the ground power plug is often on the side of the nacelle near the prop, to help keep the ground crew cool as they
unplug you), they also make more noise than said nuclear power station blowing up, and they also take 1.2 weeks to
complete a start cycle. So at least when flying a Metro you develop the ability to think ahead. The propeller is also
capable of reverse pitch, and this is used to make more noise on landing with the noise reflecting on the airframe to
slow it to taxi speed.

Back to the cockpit. While it may seem great fun to blast around the skies in a semipressurised aircraft that can barely
be controlled assuming it'll start you can't actually see where you're going due to the windows being too small. To be
fair there's a largeish window on the side, but it often vibrates so much that nothing useful can be seen from it. This is
assuming you're lucky enough to be flying in warm weather, for in colder conditions that require window heat only the
window directly in front of each pilot has a tiny section of it heated, so if you thought you couldn't see much before you
will see even less now.

The various controls & instruments in the cockpit were strategically positioned by means of a very large shotgun and
many cases of beer I suspect. Fortunately, most of them don't read very accurately or indeed at all. A large number of
the switches were labelled by means of picking suitablesounding words from a brown paper bag. The radar is merely
a Nintendo Gameboy converted to black & white, yet still has the batteries removed so it doesn't work. Every internal
light is designed to illuminate dimly and also burn you if you foolishly fiddle with it to make it brighter.

If you do decide to go attempt to commit aviation in one, you first have to tackle the front door. It's hinged at the bottom
and has a single handle to open & close/lock it. Sounds simple, but again the trusty Metro engineers decided that the
door should be fitted with a totally reliable liftassist device that detects the strength of the person trying to operate it,
and if the person is weak then the door is scheduled to get no assistance at all, and viceversa. The chains fitted to
either side to stop the door from (mostly) plunging deep into the ground when opening are also designed to fall to the
side when closing the door to make it jam, with the bonus of also damaging the door seal. But the Metro engineers
weren't finished there, they decreed that even if you'd managed to lift the heavy door up and grow another arm or two
to get the chains out of the way, then it has just enough twist in it so it simply won't shut. Well some doors are
scheduled to only shut when slammed for the 3rd or 4th time with at least a grunt and swear word. It's then impossible
to visually sight if the door is close as the inspection ports for the door pins are made from cataracts extracted from the
eyes of old pilots. Fortunately it works nearly perfectly every single time you shut it from outside, though it must be a
member of the flight crew that shuts it, not any old person on the ground. Engineer humor again I suspect ....

I like the water/meth on takeoff.
Does that answer your question?
You've been warned...
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Haha!!! This needs to be made a sticky as it is by far the best description of a freight Metro I have ever seen. However I will say it again, freight Metro. I have several hours in a pristine Merlin and it exhibits none of the above mentioned characteristics except occasional nosewheel steering. I won't mention names but certain big freight operators that have a fleet of Metros, have no clue how to properly maintain them, or it is a matter of not wanting to spend the money on them so they "ops check good" ;)
 
Inverted said:
I won't mention names but certain big freight operators that have a fleet of Metros, have no clue how to properly maintain them, or it is a matter of not wanting to spend the money on them so they "ops check good" ;)
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Very subtle....not naming names in a thread that happens to share a name with one of the largest metro freight operators in the US. ;)
 
I'm not saying it's AMF at all. I don't work there so I am unaware at their current mx practices for their fleet. It's just what I have observed from friends in the freight industry at various organizations.
 
I was just giving you a hard time @Inverted .

AMF does have some really good mechanics. AMF has some pretty old Metros and these things fly hundreds of hours every day. If the maintenance wasn't good, it would be evident pretty quickly and these things would be falling out of the sky. There are a few bases where maintenance is sometimes slack and other places that it is very good. In CVG, for instance, almost all of the guys are former Comair mechanics and do a great job.
 
Inverted said:
I'm not saying it's AMF at all. I don't work there so I am unaware at their current mx practices for their fleet. It's just what I have observed from friends in the freight industry at various organizations.
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Short Merlin? As in glass center screen, 300 knot Merlin? Cool as hell if yes!
 
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