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Cal Goat
Prestige Worldwide™
Congrats, but study hard because AMF has fairly significant fail rate. I saw at least a third of my class wash out at one phase or another.
Jfk-Pilot
Well-Known Member
It's still about the same. Even tho there are a few new hires who managed to get through training , who should have washed out in the first 2 weeks.
eightballfreight
Mission accomplished
No doubt they are going to let a few slip through now.
Initial wash out is high. Then a few wash out with every aircraft transition even the 99. It's never who you think either. Some times it is, but I'm typically surprised when "good dude" gets canned in a training event.
I hate to see people let go, but I could also argue it saved a few peoples lives.
Initial wash out is high. Then a few wash out with every aircraft transition even the 99. It's never who you think either. Some times it is, but I'm typically surprised when "good dude" gets canned in a training event.
I hate to see people let go, but I could also argue it saved a few peoples lives.
Inverted
mmmmmm wine
While I largely agree, there are some who could have used just a little more help to get it right, and didn't receive it. I still say its easier to spend a little more money giving a current employee a couple more sim sessions than to can him/her, and hire a another noob into the PA31.
purpel
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Cal Goat
Prestige Worldwide™
Yeah, I thought the training regime (after the classroom) became much more of a threat looming over your head instead of a learning environment where you felt supported by your instructors. I've had a few people ask me about going to AMF, and my advice is that it's one of the most likely places that you'll get some kind of training failure that will follow you around for the rest of your career.
That and the pay pretty much stinks... And you'll end up at a regional anyway.... Etc, etc.
eightballfreight
Mission accomplished
I agree with both of you guys.
Adopting a new school 121 approach opposed of the current old school 121 approach would be best.
I just don't see that mind set changing.
KSCessnaDriver
Well-Known Member
I have no idea. I just got offered into it as a way of not going to PDX. There are (as far as I know) only 3 PA-31 runs out there and there are 2 of us in class for PHX.
Inverted
mmmmmm wine
It won't until the old minds no longer work there. 95% of my bitterness stems from the OAK base manager who is a narcissistic, psychopathic dinosaur lol. There are some great guys in upper management that don't really get to change things because of the man on top, at least thats the feeling I get.
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
Director of "Safety"
SA227driver
Well-Known Member
With that mindset you will end up at a Regional.
Not everyone goes to a Regional. You make the best of your time at AMF and move on.
A150K
Well-Known Member
If you ever find yourself with a long ABQ sit, let me know and we can go grab lunch or something. I think they still send th 'Jo into ABQ from PHX.
SA227driver
Well-Known Member
I remember when PHX-ABQ-PHX was Metro when DHL was first reorganizing their domestic route structure. But, we also did PHX-ABQ (legal rest)-PHX-LAX-PHX. That was a brutal route.
Cal Goat
Prestige Worldwide™
Agreed, but most do not go to a major. I had a 4 year AMFer riding in the jumpseat of my regional airliner the other day because they had recently been hired by us. Even with thousands of hours of TPIC time, they ended up coming to a regional. QOL considerations seem to be getting a lot of folks from the great 135 cargo airline to move over to the regionals. I get emails from my former AMF coworkers asking about coming over to my new airline all the time.
Yeah, attitude, mindset, making the best of it... all noble things. But we don't do this for charity. Something has to give over there if they want to retain quality pilots. Or maybe they don't really care about retention? And if that's the case, why should pilots go there at all?
I think the answer moving forward is "To get my 1500 hours so that I can go to a regional." Maybe I'll proved wrong.
And I should clarify, because I think I might talk too much crap about AMF in here, that my experience there made me sad for the state of an airline that I thought was a righteous place to go and fly. I saw a company culture that didn't really encourage loyalty. I saw a company that was the biggest and most recognizable name in the industry not doing much growth and actually shrinking in my region. I left there with a profound sense of relief of having escaped a bad situation.
It's a shame, and I really hope they can shift the company culture, starting with encouraging pilot loyalty and continuing by growing and improving the brand. Because right now, it seems like they're just content with being good enough.
Sorry, that went way longer than I had planned.
eightballfreight
Mission accomplished
Very few 121 minded people bypass "the regionals" with zomg-tpic.
Very few can stand the six or seven years of painal to get on with allegiant or such.
I got hep-c, so jokes on them.
Very few can stand the six or seven years of painal to get on with allegiant or such.
I got hep-c, so jokes on them.