Ameriflight and RACCA on the pilot shortage

Inverted said:
Forgive me I have a flu bug so I bet I misread.

You have never seen a bonus taken away ever? Stay tuned lol. Why do you think they issued it as a bonus instead of adjusting the payscale properly like they should have done? Why do you think the regionals are doing the exact same thing? It is so when there is another market downturn, they can do away with the bonus. Once you change a payscale, it is really hard to change it, especially at union organizations.
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I don't doubt it.

Any more unusual turnover will wreak havoc on AMF within a matter of a couple weeks though. Where I feel like a regional can probably cope for a few months. I really can't see them being so daft that they'd deliberately start it by cutting the bonus. Stranger things have probably happened though. haha
 
No no I'm not talking about cutting it now. The whole reason it exists is for right now. They are desperate. Once it shifts, and out of work pilots become desperate, mark my words that bonus is going bye bye.

In 2011 we were treated like garbage. There was no regard for the pilot group, and if you did anything wrong, you were suspended or fired. The company was happy to offer 28k and didn't care about raising salaries then. Not only that, the attitude from management was "don't like it? Don't let the door hit ya." I hope they make the changes to turn it around but I'm so sick of hearing that they aren't getting qualified applicants...
 
Inverted said:
No no I'm not talking about cutting it now. The whole reason it exists is for right now. They are desperate. Once it shifts, and out of work pilots become desperate, mark my words that bonus is going bye bye.

In 2011 we were treated like garbage. There was no regard for the pilot group, and if you did anything wrong, you were suspended or fired. The company was happy to offer 28k and didn't care about raising salaries then. Not only that, the attitude from management was "don't like it? Don't let the door hit ya." I hope they make the changes to turn it around but I'm so sick of hearing that they aren't getting qualified applicants...
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That's been my issue with the pay raise. They were very content putting us in crew houses littered with bed bugs and planes with repeat squaks, but now that they can't find anyone they will bend over backwards.
 
scooter2525 said:
That's been my issue with the pay raise. They were very content putting us in crew houses littered with bed bugs and planes with repeat squaks, but now that they can't find anyone they will bend over backwards.
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Bending over backwards at 89k if you are topped out and include all the bonus money? More like leaning slightly backwards IMO. They got away with paying crap for decades, and now they simply reap the reward. Same for the regionals, incidentally.
 
What? Business needs labor? What devilry is this!? We need a political solution right now, or we'll actually have to raise pay ... and once the camel's nose is under the tent, why, we might even have to raise it enough to track inflation.

No sir, no good can come...

-Fox
 
knot4u said:
I agree, but it won't matter if there are no airworthy planes because there isn't anyone to fix them. A/P schools have been closing steadily nationwide for quite a while due to a lack of students.
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That's another one the industry did to itself, GA has always been a labor of love but with the slow dying of GA it's even harder to make a living with a wrench in that end, and lots of the good airline jobs have been taken over by uncertified "helpers" in third world countries
 
Ameriflight and other small cargo operators did this to themselves. When you treat employees like crap when they have no trouble filling classes people will notice. Now you can't fill a class because you have a reputation of being a bad employer.

Reducing the number of hours from 1200 would be the worst idea ever. Single pilot IFR is no joke. Sending out fresh pilots with little experience is a recipe for disaster. Literally blood on the FAAs and these operators hands if it gets reduced.

I wonder what would happen if these operators could no longer supply the service that UPS and FEDEX demands?
 
As far as I'm concerned UPS and FedEx can supply their own pilots to fly these routes. I want my Amazon Prime package NOW bishes! 2 days bishes 2 DAYS!

Edit: It's in the contract! Paid my $79 dolla dolla bills

P.S. FUPM
 
Cpt Cook said:
I wonder what would happen if these operators could no longer supply the service that UPS and FEDEX demands?
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This is the cause of this, never flew purple boxes (rumor has it they were more "safety conscious" than the brown boxes, but this is the truth. Honestly, Amflight and the other feeder cargo outfits are the regionals of the cargo world. It's a shame, but it's the truth.
 
z987k said:
Cabin class piston twins single pilot IFR is about as challenging commercial aviation gets. The jet should be 500tt and you work your way into the pistons.
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I disagree, having done both. As far as challenge, I'd honestly say they're about the same because the jet is dealing with a much higher velocity and complex arrival and departure procedures in a busy terminal environment. Sure the piston is challenging in its own right, but not really more so than the jet when it's all summed up.

Of course the real difference is responsibility. The jet is hauling a far more precious cargo than the piston twin. That's why operators want more experienced pilots in the jet.
 
Cal Goat said:
I disagree, having done both. As far as challenge, I'd honestly say they're about the same because the jet is dealing with a much higher velocity and complex arrival and departure procedures in a busy terminal environment. Sure the piston is challenging in its own right, but not really more so than the jet when it's all summed up.

Of course the real difference is responsibility. The jet is hauling a far more precious cargo than the piston twin. That's why operators want more experienced pilots in the jet.
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The jet is also part 25, and anything part 25 is sooooooooo much safer.
 
Cal Goat said:
I disagree, having done both. As far as challenge, I'd honestly say they're about the same because the jet is dealing with a much higher velocity and complex arrival and departure procedures in a busy terminal environment. Sure the piston is challenging in its own right, but not really more so than the jet when it's all summed up.

Of course the real difference is responsibility. The jet is hauling a far more precious cargo than the piston twin. That's why operators want more experienced pilots in the jet.
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I agree with this. Flying jets you are dealing with a separate set of challenges and dangers associated with it. Sure the Metro is the big badass of the single pilot freight world, the ONLY reason that airplane is so successful in freight, is because they were cheap to buy second or third hand, because they were tired pieces of crap, they are single pilot, and they hold lots of boxes. You can fly a B-17 single pilot, doesn't mean it's smart. The metro has been a success for freight companies, they found pilots willing to do it single pilot for low pay, and the trend will continue.
 
Inverted said:
I agree with this. Flying jets you are dealing with a separate set of challenges and dangers associated with it. Sure the Metro is the big badass of the single pilot freight world, the ONLY reason that airplane is so successful in freight, is because they were cheap to buy second or third hand, because they were tired pieces of crap, they are single pilot, and they hold lots of boxes. You can fly a B-17 single pilot, doesn't mean it's smart. The metro has been a success for freight companies, they found pilots willing to do it single pilot for low pay, and the trend will continue.
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It's not though, as seen by the recent pay raises, hiring bonuses and retention bonuses. We get it, you hate AMF. my advice...let it go.

 
Inverted said:
This covers all freight flying, not just AMF. Nice try though.
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I made good money when I did it, in a Metro. Most other companies pay decent for an entry level position too. I can only think of two off the top of my head that pay crap. MAC and AMF. One of them just did something about it. I suspect the other will soon follow suit.
 
Lol @ management having bitch slapped pilots so hard for all these years that it's coming back to bite them.

Here's an idea: raise the pay and convince kids that their job won't be taken over by drones and/or the sand flea airlines in the upcoming years and problem solved.
 
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