American's getting a little "scrappy"

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But the transcons are apparently losing cash for Air Tran...

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But they are betting that they will become money makers in their own right. And you have to realize that out west AirTran is still a unknown. Give it until this time next year when they get more 737s and start adding some frequency....those flights are gonna be cash cows!
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Not to burst the LCC bubble, but people don't even know who Delta is on the west coast besides being a faucet company. It's certainly SWA, UA and AA-ville. Even in PHX, the only real choices are AWA or SWA.
 
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Air Tran's not trying to put Delta out of business in ATL?

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Not if they are smart, and they are. "Put somebody else out of business" is not a business model for success. Your service needs to stand on it's own merits. Provide good service at reasonable prices and run your company well. If that runs anyone out of business it's their fault not yours.

Agree with JetBlue guy that the majors devoted too much time and energy trying to shut out competition. If they had started focusing on being able to compete way back when, we'd have a whole different story today.
 
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And I tell you why. AirTran is catering to a certain type of passneger, the low cost passenger.

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New flash. Most passengers in today's airline industry ARE low cost passengers. If the business traveller that normally flew Delta passed up the $49 AirTran ticket, how do you think the stockholders would view that? Wasteful or mismanagement of funds. This is why the legacies are having to restructure. If you the low cost passenger was only one market, then everything would be hunky dory (damn, I really said that). However, since it's all about price and not really about service or amenities anymore, everyone has to target the low cost market or lose what little market share they already have. AirTran might not be trying to put Delta out of business, but I can guarantee you they are trying to take a chunk of Delta's marketshare. That's exactly what AA was doing with JetBlue. Is called free marker and welcome to America. JetBlue just happened to have a better structure at that price, so the consumer went with them. If AA could have held out long enough to keep matching those fares, then JetBlue would have been in trouble. No sense getting bitter and angry over an open market. It's called competition, and it's what makes the market run.

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they should offer superior service and show that paying a little more on Delta has its values instead of trying to come down to our level. That what leaves a nasty taste in our (the LCC employees) mouth

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Why does that leave a nasty taste in your mouth? I worked for a LCC for years, but I never felt animosity towards a legacy carrier. Pity sometimes, but not animosity. The problem is that most people WON'T pay for the extra service on DAL. It'd be nice if they would, but if you look at ticket sales, the data just isn't there. Joe Average wants to fly from ATL-PHX (no offense Doug, it just came out like that) for the cheapest price he can find. There's next to no brand loyalty in the airline business. Check most frequent fliers, and you'll find they have SEVERAL frequent flier cards. They don't stick with one airline, they go with who has the best deal or who has the flight leaving when they want to leave, whichever one they prefer most. NWA has some of the WORST customer service I've ever seen, so I don't know how they manage to keep passengers other than setting up their hubs in a way that barriers of entry for competition are too high. The fact that they codeshare with CAL and DAL pretty much gives them almost total control of Memphis.
 
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when they know you're going to spend some cash on potatoes, stuffing and wine.

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mmmmmm, stuffing
 
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Not to burst the LCC bubble, but people don't even know who Delta is on the west coast besides being a faucet company. It's certainly SWA, UA and AA-ville. Even in PHX, the only real choices are AWA or SWA.

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Delta really does need to expand westward. They have a west coast hub but SLC is bare bones.
If I wanted to fly to CVG or ATL from PHX DL would be my only choice.
Anywhere else especially on the west coast and your right AWA,SWA and UAL would be my first choices. Delta needs change that.

-Matthew
 
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After Delta bought Western, they were the biggest airline in the LA basin.

But onto the important stuff. Man, I've been craving turkey, mashed potatoes and gravy ever since I typed the blurb about 'loss-leader' sales (or whatever the heck it's called).

Give me a Vegas buffet and I'll make a big old mound of that stuff!
 
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After Delta bought Western, they were the biggest airline in the LA basin.

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Yea I remember that Delta used to be the "official airline of California and Disneyland."
My family and I used to always take a DL 722 from TUS-LAX during the summer. Hell even AA used to have 2-3 flights a day from TUS-LAX.
There mainstay in TUS has always been DFW/ORD service.
Then SWA came westward and all that stopped. DL only flies to there hubs from TUS & PHX and by hubs I mean CVG & ATL all SLC flying has been downgraded from a 722 to CRJ flying!
Incidently when you get back from this trip you wanna hit this super fandangled resturaunt called IN & Out Burger with the wife?
Hit a brotha up...

-Matthew
 
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You believe eh!?
LOL doesn't sound promising...but I'll give ya both a ring should ya both answer your phones...LOL!

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-Matthew
 
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Two black guys and a blonde walk into a hamburger joint...The blond says, "Hey bartender, gimme a burger"...
 
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