American Airlines job fair

Roger Roger said:
plot twist: AAL has recruiters cruising this and other websites. Those of y’all complaining about the job fair are probably not that hard to trace to a resume for “filing”.
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Roger speaks the truth.......
 
jtrain609 said:
Online?

Seriously?

How out of the loop are you with these career fairs?
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I'm not sure what you mean. Why didn't they take resumes - a fundamental aspect of any job fair - I don't know. From the sounds of it they blew this and have a lot to learn.

But to say attending a job fair is a requirement isn't accurate. A large portion of their off the street hires are from from the military and those guys typically aren't attending the job fairs. They don't really need to.

Personally if I were still at the commuters my focus would not be on AA nor would I attend a job fair to see them. They just don't hire OTS civ in any sort of quantity.
 
ian said:
i think it goes both ways. I've flown with guys that left AA to come to SJI and say it was terrible there and awesome here. I also have friends that have left SJI for UA and say its much better there. It's all about perspective and taking things with a grain of salt. What works for one person doesn't work for the other.
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It wasn't a slight on DL but my point was that a negative event like this isn't indicative of the entire process at all at AA.

The Sky Ball is a fundraising event that has been going on for 15 years. This was apparently an afterthought that truly wasn't a thought at all. Live and learn. It's unfortunate it happened but it did and I'm sure the company will improve. My heart goes out to the folks who spent time and money on it hoping to at least get some extra credit. I'd much rather see them interviewed vs someone who just applied on a whim and gets a call.
 
ian said:
i think it goes both ways. I've flown with guys that left AA to come to SJI and say it was terrible there and awesome here. I also have friends that have left SJI for UA and say its much better there. It's all about perspective and taking things with a grain of salt. What works for one person doesn't work for the other.
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He wasn’t talking about the companies in general, he was talking about the interview experience at AA vs DL.
 
learhawkerbe400 said:
He wasn’t talking about the companies in general, he was talking about the interview experience at AA vs DL.
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ok, it still applies because its company culture. I also know guys that interviewed at AA and SJI and they said the AA experience was terrible. One of my best friends hated his SJI interview experience and loved his UA one.
 
wheelsup said:
I hope they do and read this and how throwing a job fair and not taking resumes, which is basically the definition of what a job fair is, was ridiculous and pissed off a lot of good people.
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I’m confused...if the job application is all online (which I’m pretty sure is all 121 carriers these days) what’s the point in taking resumes at a career fair, other than as a talking point during your meet-and-greet time? I might be misunderstanding but I guess I assumed that this and all the Delta ones were to get FaceTime with a recruiter, get your questions answered, and hopefully make a positive impression.
 
learhawkerbe400 said:
It’s simple. It’s hard to even get selected to be a mil pilot and hard to make it through training. You’re a known quantity. Pretty much guarantees you can make it through training at the airlines.

It’s like a college degree but more relevant.
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It's not that simple. IMO, just about anyone can pass a Boeing or Airbus training and type rating course at just about any major airline.

Problem is being on the line. I have the utmost respect for our military aviators and their jobs and service to the country. Point remains though, they have 0 Part 121 time, 0 experience into/out of some of the busiest hubs in the country where they will be based, and well, it's just not the same especially as a single-pilot fighter operation versus going into a 2-man airline cockpit crew. This isn't to say they are not qualified, or less qualified than RJ or other 121 pilots, just that they aren't inherently more qualified for being military.



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And to the current AA folks here defending the job fair, how many you of you were legacy US Airways hires versus actual true OTS hire at American?
 
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Cherokee_Cruiser said:
It's not that simple. IMO, just about anyone can pass a Boeing or Airbus training and type rating course at just about any major airline.

Problem is being on the line. I have the utmost respect for our military aviators and their jobs and service to the country. Point remains though, they have 0 Part 121 time, 0 experience into/out of some of the busiest hubs in the country where they will be based, and well, it's just not the same especially as a single-pilot fighter operation versus going into a 2-man airline cockpit crew.



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And to the current AA folks here defending the job fair, how many you of you were legacy US Airways hires versus actual true OTS hire at American?
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Jet. University.
 
wheelsup said:
I have a suspicion that one reason they prefer mil is because of reduced health benefit costs and pensions. They'll hire on at an older age, not use company medical saving tens of thousands a year, and typically bail out early because they have a nice supplemental pension to boot.
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Employers get a big tax break for hiring veterans, I think that's the main reason.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
It's not that simple. IMO, just about anyone can pass a Boeing or Airbus training and type rating course at just about any major airline.

Problem is being on the line. I have the utmost respect for our military aviators and their jobs and service to the country. Point remains though, they have 0 Part 121 time, 0 experience into/out of some of the busiest hubs in the country where they will be based, and well, it's just not the same especially as a single-pilot fighter operation versus going into a 2-man airline cockpit crew

And to the current AA folks here defending the job fair, how many you of you were legacy US Airways hires versus actual true OTS hire at American?
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Aviators from an airlift/tanker backgrund i dont think would have any issue, as they do the same work. Single seat Tactical jet guys, if they have an open mind to adapt and learn something new operations wise, it should also be no real issue. CRM isnt rocket science, but it does take some open minded adaptability for those not necessarily used to it in terms of crew flying of the plane. Tac jet guys get the same yearly CRM training that any other pilots do, with more of a focus on their ops of CRM within a formation vs within a cockpit. So its not a foreign concept, its just the application is different when now transitioning to a crew environment (assuming single seat guys here, not crew fighters) for flying the actual airplane. How easy or difficult that transition is, is completely dependent on the individual.
 
MikeD said:
Aviators from an airlift/tanker backgrund i dont think would have any issue, as they do the same work. Single seat Tactical jet guys, if they have an open mind to adapt and learn something new operations wise, it should also be no real issue. CRM isnt rocket science, but it does take some open minded adaptability for those not necessarily used to it in terms of crew flying of the plane. Tac jet guys get the same yearly CRM training that any other pilots do, with more of a focus on their ops of CRM within a formation vs within a cockpit. So its not a foreign concept, its just the application is different when now transitioning to a crew environment (assuming single seat guys here, not crew fighters) for flying the actual airplane. How easy or difficult that transition is, is completely dependent on the individual.
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You're correct and there's no disputing any of that, especially the last sentence. My main point is for the guys saying they're chosen or viewed as more qualified specifically for being a known quantity that will pass training. If I can pass Airbus training, pretty much anyone can. And I don't even push the right buttons half the time... :)
 
I fly with new hires on a daily basis. Honestly, the only difference between the two groups is that it takes the mil guys about 300 hours to get up to par with their civ counterparts with respect to airline ops. After that, there is no difference.
 
Roger Roger said:
plot twist: AAL has recruiters cruising this and other websites. Those of y’all complaining about the job fair are probably not that hard to trace to a resume for “filing”.
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Oh darn. Does that mean they won’t hire me? Maybe @Derg s friend can do me a solid!
 
Roger Roger said:
I’m confused...if the job application is all online (which I’m pretty sure is all 121 carriers these days) what’s the point in taking resumes at a career fair, other than as a talking point during your meet-and-greet time? I might be misunderstanding but I guess I assumed that this and all the Delta ones were to get FaceTime with a recruiter, get your questions answered, and hopefully make a positive impression.
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You bring up a great point and one I have wondered for years. The larger carriers don't need to go to a job fair. It appears they are used as 'bait' to draw money and "donations" in.

There are certainly some worthy causes but it's unfortunate they use hopes and dreams to finance their causes. Personally I refused to participate and have never gone to one.

I'd really like to see no-fee job fairs and even those would just be for the commuter carriers that actually need to recruit.
 
There is truth to this thread. Why do majors even have job fairs? They have the best pay and benefits why bother? They don't know what the supply looks like. That is my answer. They wonder when the time will come when they can't get the qualifications they want. It has not yet happening and it may not appear at the major level.

They are constantly testing the waters to see what the pool will supply.
 
Zapphod Beblebrox said:
There is truth to this thread. Why do majors even have job fairs? They have the best pay and benefits why bother? They don't know what the supply looks like. That is my answer. They wonder when the time will come when they can't get the qualifications they want. It has not yet happening and it may not appear at the major level.

They are constantly testing the waters to see what the pool will supply.
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Ridiculous. They do it because they have to have a recruiting department, and they give the recruiting department a certain amount of money and staff, and the recruiting department says “well what do we do to recruit people? have a job fair I guess?”
 
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